Talk:Same-sex adoption

Requested move 4 March 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved to Same-sex adoption. Wide consensus exists to rename the article to fit more closely with the scope of this article. The idea of moving it to Same-sex adoption rather than the originally proposed title was raised later on concision & common terminology grounds, and has also gained considerable consensus. (This article is move-protected and will require administrator intervention for moving it, a technical request has been filed and the page will be moved shortly.) (closed by non-admin page mover) ---CX Zoom(^he/_him) (^{let's talk}|_contribs) 21:06, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

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LGBT adoption → Adoption by same-sex couples – The article talks about people of the same sex adopting; it isn't about trans people adopting. It should follow the same logic behind the Same-sex marriage article and be named Adoption by same-sex couples. Both topics are about same-sex couples, not about transgender rights. It is not objective nor accurate to use the LGBT acronym in this article Heikocvijic (talk) 05:05, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

• Support per nom. I would also suggest renaming the Category:LGBT adoption tree, and the articles in that category that aren't already adopting this naming convention (right now there's a mix - e.g. LGBT adoption in Europe vs. Same-sex adoption in the United Kingdom, Same-sex adoption in Brazil). Also, it might be better to go with the title Same-sex adoption for consistency with the aforementioned articles and conciseness, but I don't feel strongly about it. Colin M (talk) 18:25, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
• Support, but preference to move to same-sex adoption. The topics of transgender parenting and same-sex couple parenting are distinct and this article is very clearly about only the latter. LittleLazyLass (Talk | Contributions) 23:17, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
• Comment should LGBT parenting also be moved? @Colin M, LittleLazyLass, and Heikocvijic: Natg 19 (talk) 23:45, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Would make sense, since it's in a similar situation where the article is almost exclusive about same-sex parenting and it makes more sense to treat it as its own distinct topic, but that would raise the question of what to do with the small section on transgender parenting tacked on at the end. Perhaps a Transgender parenting article is in order? LittleLazyLass (Talk | Contributions) 19:50, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

I agree Heikocvijic (talk) 04:13, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

• Support. Good to spell it out. — kwami (talk) 19:37, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
• Support per nom Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 21:22, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
• Comment So everyone seems to agree with the idea, but the exact name maybe not. I now propose then to follow the reccommendation of Colin M and rename it Same-sex adoption. I would like to know if Same-sex adoption is the proposal we can all get behind, so I can close the discussion and start a different request, to have consensus. Please reply to this comment if you agree or comment what you would prefer, and after I will close this request and make another request with the agreed upon names. @LittleLazyLass, Colin M, — kwami, Iamreallygoodatcheckers, Natg 19. In the next request with the agree name, I will also include the proposals by LittleLazyLass and Colin M, on Transgender parenting, Same-sex parenting and Category: Same-sex adoption. I want to see what you guys think before I close this discussion to start a new one with the final concensus. Thank you Heikocvijic (talk) 04:38, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

I prefer the proposal: "same-sex adoption" sounds like you're adopting someone of the same sex. — kwami (talk) 06:40, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

It's the most common terminology for this topic, though. LittleLazyLass (Talk | Contributions) 19:11, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

BTW, I've added notes to the SSM template that not all SSM jurisdictions allow SS couples to adopt, so SSM is not "equal marriage" in those states. Reverted as "not relevant", but it seems to me that having gender tests for whether you count as a married couple is very relevant to whether a state truly has SSM. (SS couples can get married, and married couples can jointly adopt, but SS married couples cannot jointly adopt, so they have a 2nd-class marriage.) — kwami (talk) 06:54, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

@Heikocvijic: just FYI, you don't need to start a whole new RM for the new proposed name. In a situation like this where an RM is opened proposing that an article at title A be moved to title B, then during the discussion someone else suggests title C, which attracts consensus, it's completely normal for the closer to move the page to title C, even though it wasn't the originally proposed title. Also, if this page is moved, the corresponding category can also be speedily moved, without requiring any further discussion, per WP:C2D. Though you may still want to open a new RM to discuss LGBT parenting. Colin M (talk) 15:38, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

• Support Heikovijic's proposal. It's more concise. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 04:43, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

  @Iamreallygoodatcheckers: Before I close this discussion, I want to confirm that by this opinion, you mean to support the original proposal, i.e., Adoption by same-sex couples right? ---CX Zoom(^he/_him) (^{let's talk}|_contribs) 14:47, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I support the proposal. Make the move. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 16:41, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

@Iamreallygoodatcheckers: wait, I'm confused. You said you supported the proposal because it's "more concise". I would think that meant you supported Same-sex adoption rather than Adoption by same-sex couples? Colin M (talk) 17:52, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes I support “same-sex adoption” over “Adoption by same-sex couples”. I misread CX Zoom’s comment. I apologize. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 17:58, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

References and map

I am trying to get references and info on British overseas territories, Australian dependencies, etc. If anyone else could help me get that info that would be appreciated, since information about these things is not that widely available. The map as is rn might be inaccurate Heikocvijic (talk) 03:38, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

I believe all Ozzie jurisdictions are under the same law. But Brit might be harder to verify. — kwami (talk) 09:48, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

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