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Double-barrelled?

Has she double-barrelled her name to be Sheffield Cameron? I haven't seen this anywhere else. AFAIK she uses her maiden name professionally. DavidFarmbrough 11:39, 26 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I created this page and, to be honest, I wasn’t sure if she had double-barrelled her name however, I had seen both Samantha Sheffield and Sheffield Cameron quoted as her name. If anyone thinks it should be changed feel free. Philip Stevens 16:22, 26 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Family tree

I met Samantha and David who were attending one of David's elderly relatives in the care home I worked at, Samantha had done for this relative a very very extensive family tree and she was delighted when I showed her many times over my brother and I's entry, the connection seemingly from a long distant paternal grandmother who married a Cameron. Samantha was very interested, David was totally uninterested, a shame I could not have gained a copy of that tree for my grandparents who were very active in family history from Scotland and England including a former admiral and prime minister on my grandfather's side and several naval heroes. Sadly our lands were seized and given to English sycophants and yesmen betrayed by our own kin at Culloden :(

92.17.226.68 (talk) 20:18, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Preceeded by ?

Since when was spouse of a minister of state an office ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.7.92.68 (talk) 20:07, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Normanby Hall

Did she grow up in Normanby Hall? Info on the Normanby Hall page suggests that the Sheffield family moved out in 1963, 8 years before she was born.

A cousin of David Cameron?

If she is the cousin of Sir Ferdinand Mount, and it says on her husband's page that David Cameron is a cousin of Sir Ferdinand Mount, then are Samantha and David Cameron cousins? Someone please explain! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.208.81.173 (talk) 17:27, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This article states she is Mount's cousin. Mount's article states he is cousin once removed. D Cameron's article does not mention anything about him being the cousin of either. Cameron and his wife having a cousin in common may or may not mean they are cousins, so someone who knows the facts should clarify the matter on all three articles. UK John UK (talk) 14:44, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Inherited what?

"... MP for South Berkshire, which he inherited from his father, ..." What?!?! That could be read two ways, but surely neither is correct. He surely didn't inherit South Berkshire from his father. And he can't have inherited being the MP for South Berkshire, because being an MP isn't hereditary. Occultations (talk) 02:00, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Honourable?

As the daughter of a viscountess by marriage and step daughter of a viscount, is Mrs Cameron entitled to the style, The Honourable?--Oxonian2006 (talk) 19:02, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes

No. Fail. Unless Astor has adopted her, she is not entitled to be The Hon Mrs Cameron. I find no citations for any adoption, so will revert D B D 20:25, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not even then. Titles do not descend to adopted children. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.125.47.249 (talk) 15:19, 16 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mrs. Cameron is not the Hon. this would only be the case if her natural father were a peer she is simply Mrs. David Cameron (RoyalProtocol (talk) 22:32, 20 May 2010 (UTC))[reply]

I have consulted Debretts and the daughter of a baronet is not entitled to Hon. nor is the daughter of a peeress by second marriage it must be real father (RoyalProtocol (talk) 22:35, 20 May 2010 (UTC))[reply]

Precisely — in order to be an honourable, one of her legal parents must be a peer in their own right. Neither is. And Baronets don't count [1] D B D 11:37, 22 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You lot obviosuly know little about aristocracy. Baronets, peers and viscounts make their children honourable. Sam Cam's mother is a viscountess and her father is a baronet. She has the right to be an Honourable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Harperson123 (talk • contribs) 10:00, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You're the one who is wrong - see The Honourable#United Kingdom. Timrollpickering (talk) 19:13, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You obviosuly are not very astute. Cameron is the daughter of a viscount and the daughter of a baronet. She is the Hon. Carol Thatcher was Honourable before Mrs Thatcher entered the Lords. You know you have got a nerve, a few more then it would make a cell.--Harperson123 (talk) 19:51, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you believe you are correct then please provide a source. Road Wizard (talk) 20:15, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well here's the Ministry of Justice guidance on forms of address which states that those entitled to "The Honourable" are:

The sons and daughters of Earls by courtesy and the children of Viscounts, Barons and Life Peers who have no courtesy title.

Note that it doesn't list the children of baronets or the step children of anyone. Sam Cam is not the daughter of a viscount, she is the daughter of a woman married to a viscount and the style does not transmit that way.

Is anyone other than Harperson123 actually arguing the contrary? Timrollpickering (talk) 21:04, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I can't understand why this article is still showing Mrs. Cameron as The Hon. The children of baronets do not receive the title of Hon., and the fact that her mother subsequently married a Viscount is completely irrelevant. If anyone has any doubt about this, why not enquire of the PM's office what the correct style for Mrs. Cameron is? This sort of inaccuracy makes Wikipedia a laughing stock. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.125.47.249 (talk) 11:15, 16 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox

Look, Spouse of the Leader of the Opposition is not acceptable. You are trying to hail SamCam as the next First Lady look. Did Cherie Blair have that no! Sandra Howard, Ffion Hague. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Harriet Harperson (talk • contribs) 18:29, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Where was she born?

The article - rather rediculously - states that she was born in North lincolnshire and London. Does anyone have a reliable source? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.244.223.82 (talk) 11:20, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

London as a place of birth seems to have disappeared now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.26.1.208 (talk) 10:49, 19 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting that the birth was registered in Paddington. See here Keith D (talk) 13:08, 19 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

...and yet (what appears to be) her Facebook page says she was born in north Lincolnshire. Strange... Ghmyrtle (talk) 18:42, 19 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sir Ivan?

The Camerons' deceased first child is referred to in this article as "Sir Ivan..." surely this is not correct (despite the family baronetcy, etc)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.2.63.55 (talk) 20:40, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Snowy

there is allegations that at uni sam cam use to be a cokehead http://www.theduckshoot.com/ex-prostitute-natalie-rowe-blows-the-whistle-on-chancellor-osborne/

Henry VIII

I've removed this assertion that Sam Cam is the niece of Henry VIII again. I've no objection to someone mentioning a person's royal ancestry but the belief that that all kings and queens must be described in terms of some indirect relationship to Henry VIII because he is the most famous king is just ridiculous. If the article on Charles II doesn't mention Charles II's relationship to Henry VIII, I hardly think the article on Samantha Cameron needs to. --188.221.105.68 (talk) 20:55, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Samantha had about 4,000 ancestors living in the 16th century. The article will be very long if it gives all of them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.105.0.33 (talk) 14:00, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Overlinking

An IP editor is adding repeat links to this and other articles against the WP:OVERLINK guideline.[2] I have reverted them a couple of times and tried to engage them in discussion but they are either unable or unwilling to respond. As the editor is breaching a guideline rather than policy this will be classed as a content dispute, so I am going to back off for now.
Any other editors that would like to revert the IP editor are welcome. If not, I will probably pop back at some point in the future and remove the overlinks after the editor has moved on. Road Wizard (talk) 20:41, 29 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Name

Article title is "Samantha Cameron", the beginning of the first sentence doesn't mention the name "Cameron", though. Now what is her name? --AndreasPraefcke (talk) 10:53, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

How related to Charles II?

As Charles II only had illegitimate children, it would be illuminating and more authentic to mention through which woman Charles sired the ancestor linking her to the 'Merry Monarch'.Cloptonson (talk) 20:48, 7 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A read of the Wikipedia biography of John Sheffield, Duke of Buckingham, a contemporary of Charles II and James II, only shows that by a woman called Frances Stewart the Duke sired a son named as ancestor of the Sheffield baronets. He was also married to a bastard daughter of James II but had no Sheffield descendants through her. I have thus raised a citation need against the alleged descent from Charles II, which also calls into question what place the portrait of that king has in this page.Cloptonson (talk) 10:57, 9 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Descendants of Charles II of England#Other notable descendants says she is descended through Charles Beauclerk, 1st Duke of St Albans, Lady Charlotte Fitzroy and Lady Mary Tudor. I've managed to trace the St Albans descent: the eighth Duke's daughter Lady Mary Noel married Thomas Corbett and had Eleanor Blanche Mary, who married Sir John Dugdale Astley, 3rd Baronet and had Eleanor Corisande, who married Edward Roland Soames and had Nancy Miriel Denise, who married Edmund Charles Reginald Sheffield and had Sir Reginald Adrian Berkeley Sheffield, 8th Baronet. Opera hat (talk) 20:00, 9 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Charlotte Fitzroy married the 1st Earl of Lichfield. Their granddaughter Lady Anne Lee married the 4th Baron Clifford of Chudleigh. Sir Bede Edmund Hugh Clifford, son of the 10th Baron, was the father of Patricia David Pandora, who married Timothy Angus Jones and had Annabel Lucy Veronica, now Viscountess Astor. Mary Tudor married the 2nd Earl of Derwentwater. Their granddaughter Lady Anna Mary Barbara Radclyffe married the 8th Baron Petre. Agnes Louisa Catherine Petre, daughter of the 11th Baron, married the 8th Baron Clifford of Chudleigh and was mother of the 10th Baron. Opera hat (talk) 20:07, 9 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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