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Middlesbrough Estate or Estates, and spelling

Hi. There's some lack of clarity here and in Saltburn Cliff Lift about whether the entity involved is called Middlesbrough Estate or Middlesbrough Estates. Can anyone nail this please? Also, I altered the spelling from Middlesborough Estate(s) to Middlesbrough Estate(s) in a couple of places. Since this change is generally correct I hope it is here too, but if you know otherwise, please yell, and produce the evidence! Thanks and best wishes DBaK (talk) 15:31, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Good question, and a nice solve I hope! Not being a native of said area (been a couple of times, nice views and architecture), I came at this from developing the article on George Croydon Marks, and noticed the two rather large gaps we had; so hence the investigation/creation. This pdf from Redcar & Cleveland councils archive confirms it as "the owners of Middlesborough estate" (page 39, section 4.15). It also highlights how awful our current Saltburn article is, and what a great source of detail this conservation area plan would be. I looked around Wikipedia and Google for sources for Middlesborough estate over the weekend, but could find much - a books job I guess, unless you know better? Hope this helps, happy to discuss further. Rgds, --Trident13 (talk) 16:36, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi and thanks for the great reply. I *am* a native of that area but have not lived there for many years. I always used to love Saltburn in particular but, no, I certainly don't know better! Thanks for the link to that excellent and interesting document and given that it's very clear, I think we should probably go with "Middlesbrough Estate" unless/until any evidence emerges otherwise. If you don't mind I think I will make those changes to make it consistent and we can go on from there. I wish I had more to offer these articles but I think that's it for now - though I will enjoy having a longer look at the PDF when time permits! Thanks and best wishes DBaK (talk) 09:23, 8 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]