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Saliens

I removed Their exact relationship to the Salian Virgins, mentioned only by Festus, may simply be the similar "saliens", to dance., because it is misleading, and unless the source says otherwise, it is most likely a misconception of saliens.--Flammingo^Hey 08:36, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Aditions

I added some scholarship, some links are red I shall fix that soon. If there are problems please let me know.Aldrasto11 (talk) 06:13, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Link to religioromana.net

This link is to website that does not look scholarly and its content presents debatable interpretations without a critical approch. I suggest its deletion.Aldrasto11 (talk) 04:37, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dates, anyone?

This entry is ahistorical. When did this group exist? At what time was it first noted in history? Did it exist until the end of the empire or just for a few centuries? If the historic record can have details about their clothing and rites, there must be some information on when this religious group existed. 69.125.134.86 (talk) 20:03, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not entirely sure what you're asking, but I think I see your point. Their origin was shrouded, to use the cliché, in legendary history, when the ancilia fell from heaven. They assumed fresh importance under the Augustan religious "reforms" (a combination of antiquarian revivalism and innovation), and are still recorded on the Calendar of Filocalus in 354 AD, as I recall. The order would not have survived Theodosius I, since the Vestals didn't. The article doesn't really treat them as a social reality, I suppose. Cynwolfe (talk) 23:34, 16 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

IPA

The unsourced WP:OR ({{IPAc-en|ˈ|s|æ|l|i|aɪ}} {{respell|SAL|ee|eye}}, {{IPA-la|ˈsaliː|lang}}) was cute and all but utterly and completely wrong in both Latin and English. Leaving aside WP:NOTADICTIONARY since–sure–this name looks weird in English, 1st Latin was largely phonetic and neither written I would have been ignored and 2nd we're not 100% sure on what the exact IPA would've been. 3rd, while it's certainly possible that some English speakers mispronounce it with one Latin I sound (i.e. an E sound) and one English I sound, (a) that would need to be sourced and (b) the entire point of a pronunciation guide is to lead people away from nonsense as needed. Every English speaker is going to default to /sæl/ instead of /sal/ but there's no difficulty in saying /i.i/ or /iji/ instead of /iaɪ/. They just need to be shown that's what it should be. (c) This an uncommon term to begin with, so there's no wide body of speakers already regularly mispronouncing this that we need to be descriptivist about.

(d) The OED doesn't list anything for Salii separately—they just consider it Latin which it obviously is—but they do have an entry for the English synonym Salians. They list the standard pronunciations with an initial long A: /ˈseɪliən/ or /ˈseɪljən/.

Personal opinion—given that there's no known unquestionably 'correct' version—is to leave this to the Salii Wiktionary entry's pronunciation sections. If y'all strongly disagree with that, ok, sure, but provide WP:RS for any IPA that gets added back in. If we're going to go into the weeds on all the different possible historical and present pronunciations, that'll belong in the new #Name section instead of the lead. — LlywelynII 01:22, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]