Talk:Sahara India Pariwar/Archives/2014

Recent edit warring re: directors

There are obvious problems with recent edits such as this - eg: undue weight in the lead, poor phrasing - but can the protagonists please explain any underlying issues. Are the sources wrong or contradicted by other sources? What are the implications for WP:BLP? Etc. - Sitush (talk) 13:06, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

I didn't get the term "protagonists". WP:BLPCRIME should be relevant here. Wikipedia is not a newspaper. Along with recent dispute, there are still multiple issues with this article awaiting to be addressed. I've been planning to perform a clean-up removing promotional and unsourced content. Anupmehra -Let's talk! 15:55, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Anup for reaching to me. I do not see the content to be defamatory in any way. By the over righteous attitude, no article can ever be edited. Take for example the case of Oscar Pistorius. Is it correct to mention he charged for murder or not ?? For me, it is absolutely correct to say that since that is a fact. Unless there is evidence of manipulation of words in a manner to sound bias to any party, I do not see what is wrong in reporting what essentially is coming out of the application of judicial mind, no less than the Supreme Court of India. The person has been ordered to be in judicial custody along with two directors of a company for an alleged fraud followed by contempt pf court proceedings. Why should this information be hidden from an encyclopaedia especially when the court itself has given its mind on the subject !!!!

Best, C — Preceding unsigned comment added by Champi4mcollege (talk • contribs) 16:08, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

@Champi4mcollege: You do not find the content "defamatory" is your personal opinion. Wikipedia articles must be edited in accordance with its guidelines. See, WP:BLPCRIME & WP:NOTNEWS. And, consider signing your posts typing four tildes (~~~~). Anupmehra -Let's talk! 17:19, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi Again Anup, Thanks for the signature information.

Regarding your comment. Lets take WP:NOTNEWS first, the fact that three prominent people of a company have been put into judicial custody was not a new news story broken by me on Wiki. So it does not come under point 1. Further, Point 2,3,4 are not applicable as it is not a mundane routine thing to have happened. So I find your worry misplaced.

Second, as far as WP:BLPCRIME is concerned, it states "A person accused of a crime is presumed innocent until proven guilty and convicted by a court of law...editors must give serious consideration to not including material in any article suggesting that the person has committed, or is accused of committing, a crime unless a conviction is secured." The information that the company founder and two directors are sent to judicial custody by a court order, is not suggestive in any way of the people having committed the crime !!!! It is just a fact .... Hence, again I find you reasoning incorrect.

By your logic, as I have previously mentioned, wikipages on the trial of Oscar Pistorius who is charged for murder must not show any information regarding this fact ??? Similarly, till a while back when Pussy Riot was in the news .... according to this logic, no information regarding their trial should have been put ??

Facts have to be places in an encyclopaedia such as people put into custody. Such facts are just facts, not some allegation or praise for someone, which ofcourse is just personal. Removing facts is plain wrong.

Thanks, C

Champi4mcollege (talk) 18:46, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Fraud case

Champi4mcollege restored material that was removed. The material is dealing the fraud case that Subrata Roy and Sahara are involved in. It was correct to add the material back in.

However, the material should be fleshed out some more. The current sentence doesn't say much and it doesn't say how Sahara is involved. Could someone mention why they are in court and how Sahara ties into the case. It should also be moved out of the lede and into its own paragraph. Bgwhite (talk) 18:39, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

• [1], [2], [3], [4], [5] might prove userful. Anupmehra -Let's talk! 19:55, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Resumption of FD 10 year

Sir am fd holder of your bank (Sahara rajat yojna) now it is completed .hence i want to claim at pune branch ,can it is possible to claim , fd is invested from katni m.p .please tell me where i can withdrawal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.119.10.194 (talk) 07:47, 11 April 2014 (UTC)