Talk:Sabine Lisicki

Nationality.

If she was born in Germany, she's German. It says her parents immigrated to Germany 10 years before she was born. She's never played for Poland. Nothing wrong with mentioning her parents' background later in the article, and that she can speak Polish, but not in the lead. It's about her (a German girl) not her parents. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.147.130.17 (talk) 21:49, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

It actionally doesn't neccessarily work that way. You are not automatically a German citizen if born in Germany. Look up Jus sanguinis. 93.104.128.159 (talk) 10:52, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Lisicki was born in Troisdorf, North Rhine-Westphalia, West Germany. Her parents went to Germany as "Spätaussiedler" → German law allows persons of German descent (by citizenship) living in countries of the former Warsaw pact (as well as Yugoslavia) the right to return to Germany and claim German citizenship. In an interview with the German newspaper Die Welt, her father, has put strong emphasis on "Sabine being German - not only because of her birth here (in Germany)" ⇒ "...legt er (Richard Lisicki) großen Wert auf die neue Identität: "Ein Teil meiner Familie war deutscher Abstammung, ich bekam die Staatsangehörigkeit als Spätaussiedler. Sabine ist Deutsche - nicht nur wegen der Geburt hier."" [1] --IIIraute (talk) 20:22, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Sabina Lisicka has Polish origin! Poland did not exist before the First World War. Poland was divided into three partitions. Prussia, Ausrto-Hungarian and Russian, so every senior pole has the so-called German, Austrian or Russian origin. Many Poles extort German citizenship to escape from communist Poland. It was enough to have a grandfather with German citizenship as the territories occupied by the Germans was very simple, because everybody had to have German citizenship if he liked it or not in the past. Most of Polish German could not even speek german at all.

I'll give you an example. My grandfather was a Pole, although he lived as a child for 5 years in Vienna. My closest cousin is a Pole just like me. Do not know the German language, but her grandfather served in the Wehrmacht. Is her grandfather a German? NO! He has just signed "folksliste". Otherwise, her grandfather had been sent to forced labuor in Germany, or shot along with women and children behind his house, but my cousin may apply for German citizenship, and easy get it. She just can say that her grandfather sang her German lullabies and German and sang one of them. Now there is no need, but at the time of communism, when there was poverty in Poland many Poles has used German track in their family. I know lots of Poles, who moved to Germany, but none of them tell me straight in the eyes, that he or she is German. Just choose better life. A German immigration authorities turned a blind eye because of negative birth in Germany. So did the father of Sabina, and her mother got citizenship as his wife. Wojciech Fibak former Polish tennis player and billionaire said that their Germanness is apparent. Between themselfs they speak Polish. Only about tennis speak German. Do I need to alter the name of Sabine Licki - I don't. Do Sabina Lisicki is of Polish origin - YES!!! Why her father claimed that they are Germans? Due to the German sponsors. The rich German will be more willing to watch a German than a German of Polish origin.

more about her  : http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/21/sports/tennis/21polish.html?_r=1& and here about in Polish : http://www.polityka.pl/spoleczenstwo/artykuly/1528745,2,sukcesy-polskich-tenisistek.read - Andreacingalli, 23:09, 6 July 2013‎

Hey, you nameless polish nationalist: What you wrote about the history is simply a lie, a reduction of hist. reality, and even what the NY Times has written isn't realy correct, because it lacks a lot of facts. And to get German citizenship, the people had to be able to speak German! By the way: Poles have always been a mixture of Slavs, Germans, Esthonians and Baltics, there has never been something like "pure Polish blood". To be Polish is not an effect of the genes. And and the name of Sabine is "Sabine" and not "Sabina", because "Sabine" is the name her parents gave her, and what is written in her passport! Her parents went to Germany ten years before Sabine was even born, and she was born in Germany. There was no need for Germany to pay any money, and Germany doesn't do this in general. Lisickis doesn't have any German sponsor! She has German citizenship, and calls Germany her home, and that's it. Wojciech Fibak ist a liar, because Lisicki and Kerber are native German tennis players! And they speak German among themselves. Kerber and Lisicki don't speak Polish as good as German. It's incredible, what giant amounts of crap polish nationalists are writing, how much they are lying just to compensate their own feel of inferiority. 89.204.153.30 (talk) 12:49, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Ha ha ha!!! I am far from being a Polish nationalist. I'm just a seeker of truth. But the language that you use remind me Goebels propaganda of world War II. You write about Polish blood. Is that am I the nationalist or maybe You? I want you to inform You that, according to the latest genetic research, coverage R1a1 haplogroup typical for slaves, extends to the entire territory of eastern Germany and southern Scandinavia, and its highest concentration is in the Mazovia region (more than 71%) which means that the entire Eastern germany is mixed from Germanic Slavic tribes. The Germans are the most genetic mixed in all Europe. The name of your capital is derived from the Slavic language, exactly from the word "berło", which means "scepter". I'll tell you something else. According to genetic research Aryan tribe that lived in 1500 BC in ancient Greece, and from which derived his origin Adof Hitler was a pre-Slavic tribe and the story of Tybet origine of Germans has more more common with the Slaves than with German. You say that Sabina Lisicka has no German sponsors. Will you tell me, too, that the sponsors do not make money on emissions Lisicki matches on German TV? She gave her face in german newpapers for free?! You write untruth about Kleber. Kleber is even more Polish than Lisicki. It has a tennis school in Poland, and often comes here. What about me Mirosław Klose. Will you tell me that a real German would give a child typically Slavic name - Miroslaw. Do you know any else true German named Miroslav? I inform you again that all Germans fled Poland short after the II world war. Those who stay were expelled. Bodies of the rest German were pulled out from the river Odr long time after. No real German has left in Poland. You will have Museum of Displaced in Berlin. Go there. The truth is that you lack talent at all so you make Germans of every one. However, we both well know that the so called "displaced germans" in Germany are treated like second-class citizens, if they are not good athletes.

"Every tenth of Germany have Jewish ancestors - according to a study by the Swiss company Igenea. Only six percent of Germans have Germanic roots. As many as 30 percent of Germans, cames from Slavs. Modern genetics shows the futility of racism, according to a spokeswoman for the institute. Genetic analysis shows that the man has rich roots and a racial mix."

http://www.dw.de/w-niemczech-niewielu-german%C3%B3w/a-2971289-1

German language is young and very simple, and it's mixed from Celtic and Slavic language :)

Below the range typical for the Slaves haplogroup: http://bialczynski.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/r1a-m173.jpg and this is Germans haplogoup: http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-R1b-S21.gif

18:21, 24 July 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.248.254.199 (talk)

I read the Polish article Andreacingalli mentioned above, and guess what, the article doesn't claim Lisicki and Kerber to be "Polish tennis players" it criticizes people who do that! Here's a cite: "Adam Romer, editor-in-chief of the magazine "Tenisklub" and expert in court, with a slight indulgence comes to putting tennis players from around the world under a common Polish flag: "In fact, only Agnes [A. Radwanska] is typically Polish product" he says. "We like to admit polishness to every good athlete, even if he does not want to." 89.204.153.170 (talk) 09:06, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

 I have never written that they are Polish, only to have Polish origin as is evident. Read carefully, please and do not insult Wojciech Fibak, because he has enough money to ruin you. This is the public site. Was it possible to register Polish name in Germany? No, but i her home she is called Sabina so the other Polish do. 

From the text it is evident that all of them have Polish roots, whether they admit to it or not. Please do not manipulate text. 18:16, 24 July 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.248.254.199 (talk)

The parents of Sabine Lisicki came es Poles of German descent to Germany, there are no "Polish roots" and Sabine Lisicki was born in Germany by German citizens. So her home is Germany, and not Poland. She never lived in in has nothing to do with Poland. Sabine Lisicki calls Germany her home. You are a Polish nationalist and racist. Citizenship has nothing to do with the genes. 82.113.122.166 (talk) 17:57, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

   What !? Her mother is 100 % Polish. She come to germany as a wife of Polish who has had German grandfather. Nobody cares what Germans has wroten in thairs papers. A paper can carry everything.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.248.254.199 (talk) 22:54, 25 July 2013 (UTC) 

I wrote that Sabina Lisicka has Polish roots, not to have Polish citizenship. Citizenship can be changed several times in a lifetime. Her mother is "100% Polish product" Her father who trained her has written doctorate in Poland, so even if he have German roots he is "100% Polish" product. I wrote about her roots, not about the papers. Sabina Lisicka is German of Polish origin! She speak Polish at home. Is it so hard to understend for Ost-German nationalists? 20:14, 25 July 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.248.254.199 (talk)

Funny bud. I click on Polski and the article sits at Lisicki. Obviously you're making Lisckia up. She was born in Germany and is German no matter what her family backround. Stop trying to change a name which most Polish speakers apparently agree with. You sir are a fascist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.18.17.170 (talk) 23:32, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

It's none of your business how we call Sabina in Poland. We live in a free Europe where there is the freedom of expression and non little screamer can tall us what to do. 11:48, 26 July 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.248.254.199 (talk)

And it only matters what she is called in English. Stop telling us what to do even when other Polish speakers do agree with you as per the Polska's Sabine article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.22.89.39 (talk) 18:25, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

But this is not about her name, but about her origine. Stop to learn me how to speak in polish her name. beter read about her on the german side where most of German don't agree with. 13:04, 28 July 2013.

Her Polish origine is evident. Bulba 23:32, 03 August 2013

References

Name

There are enough sources (e.g. Eurosport), that she's called also Sabina Lisicka. WP:COMMONNAME is not a reason to delete this information, because no one want to change the topic.--PlkErsatz (talk) 20:30, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Sources on how she is called in Poland, i.e. on polish Eurosport - who cares?! Do you also want to add her chinese Name? → WP:MOSBIO. Please do show some English refs that do support your claim. --IIIraute (talk) 20:50, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Well, apparently you don't care. But that's not the question. Your comparison with Chinese is beside the point. She is of Polish descent and because of here parents she has also the Polish citizenship (Polish nationality law). Look at Wikipedia:MOSBIO Opening paragraph #1. So all names have to be mentioned. If someone want to add informations, they have to have reliable sources. If you don't care about any informations, don't look at it, but don't delete information complete with sources.--PlkErsatz (talk) 15:27, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

English reliable sources needed. Not any old thing. It is the ENGLISH Wiki after all. --92.18.25.228

Yes, all names, i.e. "Sabine Katharina Lisicki" and not just "Sabine Lisicki" or some showbiz name. "Sabina Lisicka", however is not her name - never was. Not in her birth certificate, nor in her passport - it is nothing more than the Polish female version of her German name "Sabine Lisicki". Please read WP:MOSBIO more carefully. Lisicki is not a Polish citizen - whatever weird rules they have in Poland. A German citizen is usually not allowed to hold dual citizenship, especially if one is not living in the other country → [2]. Her father is of German descent. Being a Spätaussiedler, he made use of the right to return to Germany and claim German citizenship. Both of her parents received German citizenship in 1979, before the birth of Sabine. In a 2009 interview with the German newspaper Die Welt, her father put emphasis on Lisicki being German: "Sabine is a German - not only because of her birth here [in Germany]."[3]. --IIIraute (talk) 22:47, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

But her parents call her Sabina or Sabinka !!! They speak Polish in home. !!! 22:47, 24 July 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.248.254.199 (talk)

No one cares what her parents call her as a nickname. Oh and bud, she can speak Deutch, Polski and English. So I assume they can so they speak anyone of the three with German being the most likely. Stop trying to be a fascist and make out that they speak Polski at home. You do not live or have access to their home.

  How do You know that I do not have access to their home?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.248.254.199 (talk) 07:11, 26 July 2013 (UTC) 

So your admitting to being a stalker and need a restraining order. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.18.45.15 (talk) 07:24, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Yeesss... and I also stalk your parents and you know what? When you lieavig your house they use to dress up in Polish folk costumes and begin to speak in Polish :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.248.254.199 (talk) 09:21, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

______ Wrong. I came also as Aussiedler (before 1993 it was calles Aussiedler and not Spätaussiedler) in the 80's to Germany. My great-grandfather was born in Germany in the borders of 1937 and he belonged to the Polish minority in Germany. Nevertheless for the rules of BRD he was German and we were Aussiedler even if he was Polish with German citizenship for the Weimar Republic and Nazi Germany. If you want some more informations, that's for you. And by the way: By the Polish nationality law a child born to Polish parents is a Polish citizen at birth. This applies whether the child is born in Poland or elsewhere. 3 10:56, 26 lip 2013 (CEST) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.141.160.64 (talk)

Fastest serve

I'm going to remove the bit that says she's done the "fastest serve ever recorded" for a woman because it is known Venus Williams has served at 130 mph too in Zurich, 2008. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.114.249.197 (talk) 13:36, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

She just served 131 MPH at Stanford in an awful loss to Ana Ivanovic. I think Stanford is monitored by IDS who'll probably certify the result and update the stats on wtatennis.com79.119.84.179 (talk) 00:37, 30 July 2014 (UTC).

Fastest serve record... lost to Barbora Záhlavová-Strýcová? Nope.

Some user added that she lost her fastest serve record to Barbora Záhlavová-Strýcová, but I follow tennis, and I never heard a thing about this, and the source that was cited seems unreliable. I found nothing on the WTA's website, and this "source" that claimed that Barbora broke the record claimed that Barbora's record-braking serve was 150 mph (yeah right). An IP removed that claim (though while using a fake edit summary), and I think it needs to stay that way. It almost scared me, Lisicki being my favorite female tennis player. --AmaryllisGardener ^talk 02:18, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes, Sabine's record from the 2014 match at Stanford against Ana Ivanovic still stands. I could believe that Serena might break it next (though my money would be on Sabine doing it again instead, since she apparently got close in Birmingham this year), but 150 mph? No way. Even Greg Rusedski didn't serve that fast.

I don't know Barbora's game that well although I have seen a video of her playing on Youtube, but I've never had the impression that she's a particularly fast server. I suspect she'd be as surprised as anyone to see herself mentioned in that context. Meltingpot (talk) 11:18, 21 October 2015 (UTC)