Talk:Saab 2000

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Speculation

From the article:

Some have speculated that the high cost of regional jet operation is partially to blame for the plague of bankruptcy that has hit the airline industry, something that high-speed turboprops like the Saab 2000 and its competitors would have prevented.

This may be true, and is an interesting thought, but given Wikipedia editorial standards, I don't think this is appropriate for inclusion because it is reporting speculation instead of established facts. If this is indeed a fact, citations and references may be required. This statement may also fall afoul of the No Original Research policy as well. Opinions? Dsf 06:12, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Total

In November 2006 a total of 44 Saab 2000 aircraft remain in airline service, with Carpatair (14), Darwin Airline (3), Eastern Airways (4), FlyLal (2), Golden Air (5), Moldavian Airlines (2), Ostfriesische Lufttransport (3), Portugalia (2), Régional (6) and Swiss International Air Lines (8).[1]

The total is 49, not 44, and I know that Darwin Airline has 4 and not 3 As of July 2006). Probably the section should be fixed by someone knowledgable as it is impossible to follow through. I leave it there, as it still provides some information, but it should be corrected. Disciple of the Eighth Day 19:00, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

FlyLAL now has 5 SAAB-2000, as it is clearly stated on their website.

Yes, I believe that the above list of aircrafts in service must be updated. Ever since Lufthansa acquired the company, Swiss International Air Lines has no longer any Saab 2000: During the year, SWISS reduced its fleet by eleven aircraft. In order to simplify the fleet structure and to focus on Avro RJ-100/ RJ85 in regional traffic, the last remaining Saab 2000 was withdrawn from service at the end of the summer schedule in October 2005. The flight programme remains attractive as a result of the gradual introduction of six additional Avro jets, the cooperation with partner airlines and, in particular, the association with Lufthansa^[1] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by PetterLundkvist (talk • contribs) 19:55:44, August 19, 2007 (UTC).

Considering the success the Q400 has had, why was the Saab 2000 a failure. They both are prop planes with the same speed and range yet no one uses the Saab 2000. At the very least the Saab 2000 has got to be more efficient than the slow and ineficient Avro 85. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.53.147.8 (talk) 06:13, 17 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Didn't know if the "a bit unhappy operating experience" encountered as early as 1995-1998 by Micronesia govt and its government-own airline imposed an negative effect on the sales thereafter.

For the massive searching of references to get rid of the massive "need citation" tags in this article, I discovered some details but didn't include those in the article as Saab 2000 works quite well in different weather region like Europe and Canada thus the problems in Micronesia seems relating with the "challenging" climate & perhap salty water (vapor?) i.e. just confined at some location(s).

Just my suspicion thus the above viewpoint is never included in the wiki text.

By the way, the word "primary" originally exist in the wiki text is deleted to "leave some room" for other possible underlying reasons. KCLAW1207 (talk) 16:44, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ - Lufthansa Annual report 2005

Maritime patrol aircraft demonstrator

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/farnborough-saab-to-outfit-saab-2000-as-maritime-patrol-aircraft-demonstrator-374193/

Worth a mention yet? Or will this be folded in favor of the Piaggio MPA (which actually has money behind it). Hcobb (talk) 16:59, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If it gets off paper, and an aircraft is actually converted to a demonstrator,then it will be worth a mention in the varients section. Whether either will sell (competing against ATR-42s and the ubiquitous King Air) is a different question.Nigel Ish (talk) 17:19, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A SAAB 2000 was marked up as the "SAAB 2000 Swordfish MPA" was on display at the Royal International Air Tatoo last week. MilborneOne (talk) 17:39, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Does paint count as an aircraft variant these days? Hcobb (talk) 19:52, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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removal of "<<importance section|date=December 2023>>" tag

the captioned deals with 3 incidents (before the editing done on 16 March 2024): 2 hull losses and one other incident (Loganair flight: overspeed & loss control)

Editing on one of the hull losses incident: adding the registion of the aircraft, and also adding "Saab 2000"

Editing done on the Loganair flight: mainly adding the wordings "When the commander made nose-up pitch inputs the aircraft did not respond as he expected. After reaching 4,000 ft the aircraft ......exceeded the applicable maximum operating speed" that was previously absent in the text.

"aircraft (seemingly) did not respond the commander" PLUS "exceeded the applicable maximum operating speed" would pinpoint what exactly the problems are, and two of the reasons that why the incident deserves the word "serious" as used by AAIB & also the inclusion in "Mayday" episode.

Further reasons will be given below shortly. KCLAW1207 (talk) 15:41, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding whether "Hull losses" incidents deserves an inclusion, I found, in some other wiki articles for other types of aircrafts…

…Hull losses incidents without serious injury are quite common to be included in the main text, examples:

"Hull losses" incidents with no serious injury (nor death): DHC Dash 8, Airbus A340.

Even the incident that the aircraft is repaired, with no serious injury (nor death) can also be included. Example: Fokker 70. KCLAW1207 (talk) 17:11, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Quality of English

This article seems to have been written by a non-native English speaker. I'm not saying that to be mean. The material is good but there's some fine tuning and wordsmithing required overall. Ordlab (talk) 02:57, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For the recent extensive update is truely done by non-native English writer I admit.

Quite a large number of new references / in-line citations added to the text somehow "restricting" some wordings in order not to deviate from what the reference sources said.

Trying to retain the "pre-existing" words, once reference source can be identified, is also restrictive regarding how the text / words should be changed.

May be a proof-read & improvement on the "connecting words" between sentences would be carried out if time permits on my side. Fellow editors' help is most welcome of course. KCLAW1207 (talk) 06:15, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@KCLAW1207 and @Ordlab. I have done some editing and now the article should look slightly better. If you find other issues, feel free to fix them yourself. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 02:57, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] - Lufthansa Annual report 2005

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