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A fact from SS Torrington appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 15 December 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Wilhelm Werner fled to Brazil to avoid prosecution for the 1917 murders of the crew of the SS Torrington but returned to Germany and became an SS officer on Heinrich Himmler's staff?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2022/December. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Wilhelm Werner.

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The result was: promoted by RoySmith (talk) 21:19, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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... that after fleeing to Brazil to avoid prosecution for the murders of the crew of the SS Torrington during the First World War, Wilhelm Werner returned to Germany, joined the Nazi Party and became an SS officer on the personal staff of Heinrich Himmler in the Second World War? Source: "The German commander had committed similar atrocities and was accused of murdering the crew of the SS Torrington in alarmingly similar circumstances to the ill-fated Belgian Prince crew. Before reaching trial, Werner fled to Brazil under a false name" from: "Murdered by the German who became one of Hitler's henchmen". Daily Echo. 1 August 2017. Retrieved 19 November 2022. "Mitglied der NSDAP seit September 1930 [joined the Nazi Party in September 1930] ... wurde 1931 mit der Aufstellung der Oberschlesischen Schutzstaffel beauftragt [was commissioned in 1931 to set up the Upper Silesian Schutzstaffel]" from: "Werner, Wilhelm, geb. am 06 . 06 . 1888 in Apolda bei Weimar". Parlamentsalmanache/Reichstagshandbücher 1867 - 1938 (Parliamentary Almanacs/Reichstag Handbooks 1867 - 1938). Verhandlungen des Deutschen Reichstags (Database of German Members of Parliament). Retrieved 20 November 2022. and "when the Second World War ended in 1945, Werner was a Brigadefuhrer in the SS and on the staff of the notorious Heinrich Himmler" from: Edwards, Bernard (19 August 2010). War Under the Red Ensign, 1914–1918. Casemate Publishers. p. 245. ISBN 978-1-84468-486-1.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Fort Curtis (Arkansas) and Template:Did you know nominations/Yuzuan yizong jinjian

Created by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 11:26, 21 November 2022 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Epicgenius (talk) 16:29, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Dumelow and Epicgenius: I need to let you know but the hook is too long per the formatting requirement as the hook exceeds 200 characters. Onegreatjoke (talk) 02:09, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Whoops. I completely forgot about that. Thanks for the heads up Onegreatjoke - I've changed the status of the nomination accordingly. Epicgenius (talk) 02:15, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I thought multiple article hooks were exempt from the limit but see the rule has since changed. The new rule is that the additional bold text is subtracted from the overall count. "Wilhelm Werner" is 14 characters so this gives me a limit of 200 characters. I've trimmed the hook below to 211 characters - Dumelow (talk) 07:25, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that after fleeing to Brazil to avoid prosecution for the 1917 murders of the crew of the SS Torrington, Wilhelm Werner returned to Germany and became an SS officer on the personal staff of Heinrich Himmler?
- ALT1 looks good, at approximately 193 characters after the second link is dropped. This script gives a length of 207 characters, including "Wilhelm Werner". Epicgenius (talk) 15:40, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Epicgenius, sorry just realised my alt bunched the two bold links together, I think the following is better - Dumelow (talk) 16:11, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

- ALT2: ... that Wilhelm Werner fled to Brazil to avoid prosecution for the 1917 murders of the crew of the SS Torrington but returned to Germany and became an SS officer on the personal staff of Heinrich Himmler?
  - @Dumelow: No problem. ALT2 also looks good and is slightly shorter than ALT1. Epicgenius (talk) 16:15, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]