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Note: This section came from the typo article's talk page during the move. The target of the move's talk page was a red-link, so nothing has been lost. Niteowlneils 22:55, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

The content of this page has been cut-pasted from SGR SSR idée suisse (I reverted the cut on the page) instead of being moved. Please delete this page so that the page can be properly moved (procedure according to Wikipedia:Candidates_for_speedy_deletion#Notes, point 2). Schutz 11:02, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

159753: the reason I had cut-and-paste the page, is that I had made a spelling mistake on the title.

As far as I know, you should have moved the page instead of doing a cut-paste (cf Wikipedia:How to rename (move) a page). Since a new page has been created, it is now impossible to move the page. I will re-request a speedy-deletion of the new page so that the old one can be moved (along with its history) - please do not recreate the page in the meantime ! BTW, I've updated all the links that points to the wrong page, except for the one that is on your talk page. Schutz 22:25, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

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From the article:

There are a few theories on the demise of SRI/Swissinfo.

One theory is that the mostly German-run Swiss Federal government has decided to "hide the country" from international exposure as much as possible now that the Cold War is over.
Another theory is that Switzerland is one of the richest nations in Europe (except for Monaco, Liechtenstein & Luxembourg), and it is customary for the wealthy, to hide themselves so as to keep their propery from being stolen.
In countries where Germanic languages are spoken (like in the United States & the United Kingdom), there is a movement towards 'gated communities'. The French and Italian Swiss were aginst the shutdown of Swissinfo, but these groups make up only 22% of the population.

Interesting reading, but I suppose it would need a reference. -- User:Docu

RTR

It is my understanding, reading the FAQ section on the website of Radio e Televisiun Rumantscha, that RTR is now (since 1992) independent of SRG SSR idée suisse. Am I reading this correctly, or are my Rumantsch-language skills still lacking (as the site is written in Rumantsch)? If this is correct, the article should be edited to reflect this. SwissCelt 28 June 2005 06:16 (UTC) (Answer : The RTR became a independent part of SRG SSR in 1991 because before, the RTR was managed by the deutsch part of SRG SSR. But, the RTR rest as a part of SRG SSR)

Name

May I ask why you've re-worked the introduction so much? My intention was to immediately explain the unsual - and new - name with all the initials, and the only way of doing this, is to go back to the original names from the time before TV. It doesn't make any sense for someone not familiar with Swiss radio and TV history that the initials for "Schweizerische Radio- und Fernsehgesellschaft" should be SRG, but "Schweizerische Rundspruchgesellschaft" does.

Also, why move the order of the name in the different languages around? The only sensible order should be in order of population size, and Romansch is the smallest of the four languges, while French is the second largest, like it or not. The rest of the article follows the order German, French, Italian and Romansch, so the introduction should as well.

I also think we need to stress that "Swiss Broadcasting Corporation" is a non-legal English name for the company, only used when talking about it in English. Your changes make it look as if that is the actual name of the company. Thomas Blomberg 08:24, 18 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

</from User talk:Docu>

In response to the comment above:

I put the explanation of the initials back in and placed it in a separate section.
The official names are ordered as on [1].
The current version should make the status of the English name clear.

-User:Docu

The Lausanne channel?

The article currently states: Télévision Suisse Romande (TSR) is based in Geneva and was in early 2006 broadcasting two TV channels: (Canton Geneva) for TV and in Lausanne (Vaud) for radio. What does the last part of the sentence mean? I thought it was supposed to be talking about television, not radio. --Metropolitan90 03:57, 2 July 2006 (UTC) ( Answer : The SRG SSR is the swiss public company for the television and the radio)[reply]

Requested move 18 May 2015

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The result of the move request was: Moved. EdJohnston (talk) 23:22, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

SRG SSR → Swiss Broadcasting Corporation – Official name in English (http://www.srgssr.ch/fileadmin/pdfs/Statuten_SRG_en.pdf), easier to understand than the abbreviation. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 07:53, 26 May 2015 (UTC) Vinclersan (talk) 20:28, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom, and it's already the name of the template. Randy Kryn 12:49, 19 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Wikipedia does not necessary have to use the "official" name, the PDF provided only uses "Swiss Broadcasting Corporation" twice, but then switches to "SRG SSR". Although we have WP:UE, an initialism can't be considered not English. Also a 597,000 to 159,000 for "SRG SSR" in Google. Also the template is at {{SRG SSR}} -- [[ axg
// ✉ ]] 17:48, 21 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- As you know, the title of the template is "Swiss Broadcasting Corporation (SRG SSR)". Also, do you have an idea how many of the Google results with the search "SRG SSR" were not in English? Although the full name is translated, the abbreviation is used in the four official languages of Switzerland. Vinclersan (talk) 19:01, 22 May 2015 (UTC).[reply]

Oppose per WP:OFFICIALNAMES. Even though Swiss Broadcasting Corporation is the official full name, we should not assume that it is ipso facto. SRG SSR is the common name of the broadcaster in all four of the Swiss languages, as noted by the editor above. Wes Mouse | ^T@lk 22:46, 28 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support – if everything was listed in the language of origin, RTHK would be "香港電台", People's Television Network would be "Telebisyon ng Bayan" and so on. The fact that Switzerland has four national languages further complicates things. This encyclopedia is written in English, after all. – Hshook (talk) 18:46, 29 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the name "Swiss Broadcasting Corporation" is far more recognisable than SRG SSR. – Hshook (talk) 18:47, 29 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support "Swiss Broadcasting Corporation" tells the reader a lot more than "SRG SSR"; recognizability is key. The opposing WP:OFFICIALNAMES argument does not hold, as both "Swiss Broadcasting Corporation" AND "SRG SSR" are official names of the corporation, the latter being an abbreviation. Said abbreviation, as mentioned earlier, is used in the official languages of Switzerland, yes, but none of those are English. Mr. Gerbear|Talk 20:40, 29 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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S... 4

I'm about to create a stub draft article about SRG SSR's historical TV channel that was known as Schweiz 4 in German, Suisse 4 in French, Svizzera 4 in Italian, and Svizra 4 in Romansh. But I can't decide which should be the article's title. Given the multilingual nature of the channel, I don't think either language should dominate. But what can I do?

Schweiz – Suisse – Svizzera – Svizra 4
Schweiz 4 – Suisse 4 – Svizzera 4 – Svizra 4
Schweiz 4 (German name), with Suisse 4, Svizzera 4 and Svizra 4 as redirects

Or, do you have any other idea? JSH-alive/^{talk/cont/mail} 07:54, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Are there any English-language sources that discuss the channel? If so, what name do they use? —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 11:22, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well, SRG SSR's timeline page in English mentions that "... when the S Plus stations became known as Schweiz 4, Suisse 4, Svizzera 4 and Svizra 4 respectively." That doesn't help much JSH-alive/^{talk/cont/mail} 11:47, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

At first blush, I would say to name the article Swiss 4 and make all the others redirects, putting them all in the lead sentence of the lead paragraph. I know that was never its official name, but this is a sticky situation where if we don't seem to find one name that predominates, it might just be best to translate it to the language of the Wikipedia edition in question (so of course that would mean each other lanuguage edition of Wikipedia would use the respective translation with the others as redirects). If people really do want to find it, it'll turn up in search results. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist ^{(Speak quickly)} _{(Follow my trail)} 16:09, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Swiss 4 - with the others as redirects. This is going to make the most sense for readers, and is analogous to (for example) the Federal Supreme Court of Switzerland where it is named the English translation but with the 4 names immediately afterwards. Tomorrow and tomorrow (talk) 23:19, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I would also support creating this article under the name Swiss 4, and creating titles in other languages as redirects, given the examples cited above and from a simplicity point of view on behalf of the reader. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 08:17, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. The correct translation would be "Switzerland 4", not "Swiss 4". — Ætoms ^[talk] 09:39, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Whatever the correct translation is, let's use that. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist ^{(Speak quickly)} _{(Follow my trail)} 23:59, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, and Ætoms is quite right, it would be translated as Switzerland 4. Feeling a bit silly for not realising earlier. Tomorrow and tomorrow (talk) 23:16, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Here are some interesting findings:

SRG SSR's annual report for 1995 (in German) mentions "Schweiz-Suisse-Svizzera-Svizra 4" (with normal hyphen and no spaces between the names of Switzerland) in page 7. Perhaps we can cite their annual reports to expand the article (if any of us can understand German, of course).
On the other hand, French newspaper Les Echos (in French) mentions "S4" rather than the channel's full name. We could use that article too, as it looks like a background information is there.

JSH-alive/^{talk/cont/mail} 07:39, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

May I have either "S4" or some others as a compromise, but not "Switzerland 4" nor "Swiss 4"? It's obvious that the channel was not named in English. JSH-alive/^{talk/cont/mail} 08:30, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That it was never named in English is a point that has already been addressed. We have attempted to take that into consideration, but it does not appear that there is any alternative. S4 does not appear to have been a very common nickname for the channel based on the results you've presented so far, so I could not say we can use that as the article's actual name. Many channels have a nickname, and I don't know of any offhand that would be in use as article names for their respective channels. Even then, if we're going to go the nickname route, I don't see how translating the name into English for an explicitly English-language audience wouldn't also be allowed, and should therefore not be given priority. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist ^{(Speak quickly)} _{(Follow my trail)} 15:10, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I still believe that an English-language name for the English Wikipedia is the most suitable alternative given the shared nature of the names of each channel in the separate languages. A single name in English is much more likely to aid the reader in understanding the subject of the article, and as raised above choosing one language over another or creating a nickname for use in the article when none seems to have existed in real life seems implausible. Additionally, the article for the parent organisation, Swiss Broadcasting Corporation, is also in English in a similar vein, rather than choosing one of the language of the Swiss Confederation (I realise this is backed up by sources but I think the argument still holds weight). Sims2aholic8 (talk) 08:10, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I'll create a new draft at Draft:Switzerland 4 shortly. JSH-alive/^{talk/cont/mail} 07:52, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Article looks good but you need to add some sources there. REDISCOVERBHARAT (talk) 05:45, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@JSH-alive: @Zeke, the Mad Horrorist:, @Ætoms:, @Sims2aholic8: and @REDISCOVERBHARAT: My apologies, I wasn't aware of this discussion before asking another user about creating this article which has now been done under option 1. Fort esc (talk) 13:27, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]