Talk:Ryūō

Player seeding

@Ish ishwar: Do you think you can find the original seeding order for the players in the various ranking class tournaments? I believe the JSA did list the players in a tablular format at the very beginning of the tournament, but switched to a bracket format once the individual leagues finished and the main tournament began. The JSA website is also updated to reflect recent results, so it's kind of hard to find out how each player was originally seeded from just looking at it.

Also, "Class 6" tends to include some women professionals, apprentice professionals and amatuer champions players as well, but I'm not sure how to find that info and add it to the table you created. If there's no way to verify the seed of each player, then maybe listing them alphabetically would work for the regular pros and then list the women, apprentice and amateur players to the end of the list. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:46, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

I didnt know that a seed order was used actually. When i made the tables, i just looked at their performance during the preceding year – so more wins put the player higher on the list and less wins lower. Then, i moved the folks that were demoted to the lower class at the top of the lower class and folks that were promoted at the bottom of the higher class. Besides that, folks with the same number of wins are essentially unordered. So, it's just an ad hoc ordering that only somewhat reflects their performance in the most recent tournament with some ordering residue of their performance in preceding years. I didnt know what to do otherwise.

For class 6, i only put the regular pro players since the JSA indicates this on each player's profile page (as a kind of gauge of their strength i guess). It's an easy thing to do. Would have to dig into the specific tournament pages to include the other members – they are indicated with the usual joryuu and ama suffixes after their name. I was using this page to show which players still needed new pages on wikipedia (since we dont have any other list of all players), which was my primary concern at the time. However, that's done now (except for brand new pros), and it arguably misrepresents the tournament here by excluding them. For the amateur players, if their name is usual, we could transliterate them into roman letters without issue, but sometimes names are unpredictable and we could get it wrong without knowing for sure their pronunciation. – ishwar  (speak) 17:55, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

I might be wrong about the seeding. For some reason, I thought the JSA listed each class as a table like it does for the Ōi where the position in the table (i.e. the seed) of some players is based up their performance in previous year's Ōi; however, I might have been mixing up the formats of the two titles. This is a bit of OR, but looking at some of the class 1 brackets from pervious Ryūō (32, 31, 30, 29, 28), it appears the loser of the title match is always placed in the first bracket position at the far right, but not sure how it works after that. The remaining players are probably then alternately added from left to right based upon their placing in the previous year's class tournament, with those promoted in class being added last to their new class and those demoted in class added first to their new class. As for the women and amateur players, the women most likely have Japanese Wikipedia articles, so using {{ill}} seems fine until their English Wikipedia articles are created. It seems unlikely, however, that the amateurs would be notable enough for a Wikipedia article so just listing them by name seems fine. "W" in parathesis could be used to indicate a women's pro while "A" could be used for amateurs; for example, Kana Satomi (W 4-crown), or Daiki Yokoyama (A). As you point out though, some of the names of the amateurs can be tricky, which means it might take some digging to find the proper readings. There were five amateurs in Class 6 of the 32nd Ryūō, but only two won their Rd. 1 game and only Yokoyama made it past Rd. 2. There were three women pros (Satomi, Itō and Watanabe) and then Nishikawa (she's technically not a women's pro, but an apprentice pro 3d who is a women's title holder). There was also one other apprentice pro 3d. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:09, 22 May 2019 (UTC)