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Personal life?

Is he/has he been married? Relationships? Children? Surely someone must know... AuntFlo (talk) 11:05, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He was certainly was married, to the teacher and educationalist Mollie Hattersley. Whether they're still together I don't know. BTLizard (talk) 13:41, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

They have just divorced after having lived apart for 5 years. Arachrah (talk) 21:41, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Roy Hattersley married Maggie Pearlstine, his literary agent, earlier this month. Strictly speaking, a tabloid source like the Mail should not be cited where a more credible source is absent, but there is no reason to doubt the story's veracity on this occasion. Philip Cross (talk) 16:58, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hattersley's background

Hattersley's rather unusual background is not mentioned in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.149.223.218 (talk) 12:58, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Enid was already married when she formed a relationship with Hattersley Senior. Roy sponsored legislation that would legitimize persons like himself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.169.107.99 (talk) 08:15, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

See Enid Hattersley. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.169.107.99 (talk) 08:19, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Dates of deputy leadership

I can't help but notice that the dates given for his deputy leadership overlap with those stated for Denis Healey. I suppose it is possible there were two deputies simultaneously but it seems unlikely. Can someone check up on this? CrispMuncher (talk) 22:59, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Spitting image.

There is no citation to show Hattersley enjoyed having his disability mocked. I did see a program when he made his anger about it quite clear. I can't cite that but feel its is correct to remove any suggestion that he found it amusing. JRPG (talk) 17:59, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

'Satire' Vandalism

Someone made a biased statment about how he was satired for spittle when talking, and the following statement said 'When in fact he was extremely articulate'. They also mentioned someone as a tub of lard, and not their actual name. I dont know who the person is supposed to be so I cannot fix it.

75.56.58.39 (talk) 06:01, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I saw the Spitting image programs, including those on Hattersley and found them offensive, particularly as by the nature of the program Hattersley couldn't reply. I changed the text to show that it didn't reflect his normal speech but didn't remove it as the program had occurred as described.
I'm very familiar with English libel law and this, however unfair would have been deemed humour.

Have I got news for you was much better. Hattersley was present -except on the tub of lard occasion and gave as good as he got -to fellow lard tubs. Again I didn't remove the section and I'm surprised he found it offensive. I cleaned up other aspects of the article to remove uncited rubbish about the 1992 election. JRPG (talk) 16:38, 20 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

On the Youtube page about Spitting Image there was a conversation between Roy Hattersley and the impersonater in which Roy Hattersley said that he found his impersonation very funny and that someone who could not take it should not be in politics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.10.49.15 (talk) 18:15, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Tub of Lard

For clarity, the Tub of Lard incident was nothing to do with Spitting Image, or his manner of speech. He had been invited to appear on Have I Got news For You and failing to appear for the third time, "He was replaced with a tub of lard, something “imbued with much the same qualities and liable to give a similar performance”, according to the producers."^[1]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stub Mandrel (talk • contribs) 20:55, 18 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ http://home.bt.com/-nbsp/have-i-got-news-for-you-9-classic-moments-including-the-humiliation-of-angus-deayton-11364008456650

Mistake

Under "Privy Council", "Cold War" might be a mistake for "Cod War" or "Cod Wars". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.159.119.123 (talk) 12:36, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Father's death year (Early Life section)

I note two cited sentences give differing death years for his father. He is initially referred to with parenthesised life years as '(1902-1972', yet a final sentence in the same section of the article says he 'died in atheist in 1973'. Which year is correct?Cloptonson (talk) 15:55, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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