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On 17 September 2012, it was proposed that this article be moved to Ross Stores. The result of the discussion was moved.

On 19 February 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to Ross Dress for Less. The result of the discussion was not moved.

On 12 November 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to Ross Dress for Less. The result of the discussion was not moved.

Requested move 19 February 2022

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The result of the move request was: Not moved per the WP:COMMONNAME arguments below. (closed by non-admin page mover) Calidum 02:46, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ross Stores → Ross Dress for Less – * Official news sources like this use the full name.

Directories of shopping malls refer to the store as "Ross Dress for Less"

Their official website refers to the store as "Ross Dress for Less", as does their Official Facebook

Furthermore, the logo always uses the "dress for less" portion, suggesting that it is not a slogan but rather part of the official name. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 22:19, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support We title articles on companies by the name they do business as, not by their official corporate name. For example, the article on Sam's Club is titled Sam's Club and not Sam's West, Inc. In addition, "Ross Dress for Less" is the common name. Crossover1370 (talk | contribs) 05:45, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: What the company itself and affiliated promotional sources and puff pieces call it are not so relevant. What do WP:independent reliable sources call it? Also, the proposed title is rather promotional in tone – it's more of a slogan than a straightforward proper name. Also, the logo has "Ross" in very large font size with "dress for less" in much smaller font, and the website name is "rossstores.com", and the company name in the footer of the website is "Ross Stores, Inc." Fortune and Bloomberg call it "Ross Stores", and so do the headlines of the company's own press releases. The independent non-promotional sources seem to favor the current title. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 05:40, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Common name of the brand is Ross (or Ross Stores). "Ross Dress for Less" is a marketing slogan. Natg 19 (talk) 00:43, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. If anything, the WP:COMMONNAME is "Ross". See also Ngrams, in which "Ross Stores" has been significantly more common for most of its history. feminist🇺🇦 (talk) 04:26, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 12 November 2024

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Raladic (talk) 04:01, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ross Stores → Ross Dress for Less – There seems to be a favor for calling it "Ross Dress for Less". I am presenting more evidence than last time. To wit:

If you search for a store on Google Maps, every store is labeled "Ross Dress for Less", and Google Maps usually defers to the most common nomenclature.
Independent news articles such as this, this, this, and this use "Ross Dress for Less", whereas searching "Ross Stores" tends to give press releases, corporate directories, and more financial-leaning sources.
Directories for shopping malls which have one, such as this, use the full name "Ross Dress for Less".
The company's official Facebook and Instagram accounts both use "Ross Dress for Less".
The copyright for the logo includes the "Dress for Less" part, suggesting it is part of the name and not just a slogan. I could not find any instances where just the "Ross" part of the logo was used, further suggesting "Dress for Less" is officially part of the company name. Despite what was said in the previous RM, I don't consider the "Dress for Less" part promotional in tone if it's legally part of the name any more so than the "dollar" in Dollar General is promotional. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 18:40, 12 November 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Raladic (talk) 00:47, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: Practically all of the sources cited to try to justify this proposal are either the company itself or closely affiliated sources. The suggested "independent news articles" are all puff pieces announcing new store openings, not in-depth objective commentary. Including the company slogan in the name is obnoxious. Fortune seems to use "Ross Stores" when publishing independent commentary, such has here and here. Searching the web for sources seems difficult for this subject, since the results are heavily influenced by spam/shopping promotion. As noted before, the logo has "Ross" in very large font size with "dress for less" in much smaller font, and the website name is "rossstores.com", and the company name in the footer of the website is "Ross Stores, Inc." Fortune and Bloomberg call it "Ross Stores", and so do the headlines of the company's own press releases (here). Anyone who tells an acquaintance that they're going to "Ross Dress for Less" would surely get a quizzical look in response, wondering why they're being given the slogan. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 19:22, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Are press releases any more independent than news articles on store openings? Are shopping mall directories any less independent? Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 19:30, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, those all seem non-independent to me, so we have a bunch of non-independent sources using both variants, and independent ones like Fortune and Bloomberg using "Ross Stores". Conciseness and neutrality would also tend to favor omitting the slogan. Nasdaq / Zacks Equity Research also uses Ross Stores. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 19:59, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

- Oppose: A quick glance of their homepage and store locator find them either using just Ross or Ross Stores. I agree with feminist@ from the prior conversation that if anything, WP:COMMONAME would point us towards Ross. --Tfkalk (talk) 02:48, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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