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GA Review

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Reviewer: Adamstom.97 (talk · contribs) 23:54, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hey there, I am going to take this one for review. Will be back with comments shortly. - adamstom97 (talk) 23:54, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Issues

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This is a great article and I think it is close to GA standard. Generally well-written, good coverage, images/media seem fine. I just have a few things that I would like to see addressed before I am happy to promote the article. Have a go at the following and let me know if there are any concerns. - adamstom97 (talk) 01:13, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Lead & infobox

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  • I think we should give the full title of the film on its first use in the infobox (which is the image caption in this instance).
  • As has already been discussed at the talk page, the "voiced by" credit is unnecessary here since "portrayed by" already covers it. Perhaps a hidden note is required to reinforce that these are not both needed?
  • Also potential unnecessary duplication with "Resistance Maintenance Worker" and "Resistance" beside each other. I think just "Maintenance Worker" as occupation and "Resistance" as affiliation would cover the same ground.
  • I think the sentence about Abrams is too much weight on his statement for the lead, since it is such a small part of the article and especially since the whole quote is given here. My suggestion would be to remove the entire sentence and just let the quote speak for itself in the body.
    • I really like it for the lead because I think it's a very bold statement by
  • The last sentence of the third paragraph seems a little tricky to follow for me. May I suggest something along the lines of "Johnson originally planned for Rose to be sarcastic and irritable, but the character was changed to match Tran's personality after she was cast, becoming more positive."?
  • Are we able to remove the sources from the lead since the content is sourced in the body? Or are those points still controversial?
    • I normally don't include citations in the lead, but it struck me as appropriate in this case since the character has been the subject of controversy and racist attacks. I want it to be clear that these statements are not subjective, but rather verifiable facts. If you strongly feel the citations should be removed, though, let me know... — Hunter Kahn 04:31, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Character biography & Characterization

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Concept and creation

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  • "This led him to conceive the Rose Tico character ..." Can you clarify the quote to make it clear that he is talking about Finn?
  • "were in the original The Last Jedi scripts were either eliminated or revised"
  • "Dialogue that involved Rose chastising Finn for being too emotionally attached to Rey." This sentence is missing some connective tissue.
  • "Baldari said her animation" This is confusing since you aren't talking about an animated series here (the source also doesn't support "animation" over a more appropriate term such as "illustrations" or even "designs").
  • The Casting and Filming sections both feature quite a lot of quotes. I don't have any specific ones that I think should be removed, I would just like to see a general c/e to try turn some of them into paraphrased prose or be removed if they are not necessary.

Reception

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References

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  • I have done some spot-checking on refs and they are looking good, as does formatting. However, there is a lot of instances in the article where multiple citations are being used to support a sentence or less. There usually isn't need for so many double- or triple-ups like this. Can you look into this and make sure just the best source is being used for the content and that there is not unnecessary duplication for the sake of having more citations?
    • My general rule of thumb is I try not to include more than three citations for any given fact; this is the number cited in WP:TOOMANYREFS so I think I'm in line with Wikipedia policy. Generally speaking, I think most instances of multiple citations are appropriate in this article. In some cases, it's for aspects of Rose's fictional biography, in which I want to make sure it's clear everything I write it sourced, because often fancruft gets tacked on to writing like this, so I want to make it clear everything I'm adding is coming from reliable sources. More importantly, though, since the Rose Tico character spark controversy and hateful/racist backlash at times, I like to provide multiple sources for many of the facts I'm providing so that it's abundantly clear that everything is backed up. Does this make sense? Given this, I'd rather not arbitrarily go through and remove sources where there are multiple citations. If you still think this is a major issue, though, maybe we can start with you directing me to specific instances where you think I could remove some citation tags? — Hunter Kahn 04:31, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks very much for the review, Adamstom.97! — Hunter Kahn 04:31, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Result

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Thanks for all those quick responses to my points! That's cleaned up the mistakes I found in the article, and improved a couple places as well. I understand your argument regarding the references, even if it looks a bit strange to me (I'm just not used to seeing so many triple-ups of citations). Great job with the article, I am happy to give it a pass - adamstom97 (talk) 04:45, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]