Talk:Rosalie Carey

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Valereee (talk) 14:50, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

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Rosalie Carey in 2010

• ... that when playwright Rosalie Carey (pictured) staged Amy Robsart in 1940 she used a suit worn by Sir Henry Irving for the leading man? Source: "the costume worn by Mr M. Burdis, who plays the part of “Tressilian,” is a suit originally worn by the famous English actor, Sir Henry Irving, in one of the many parts played by him in the plays of Shakespeare" (from a contemporary newspaper review of the play, written and performed in by Carey)
  • ALT1:... that when Patric and Rosalie Carey (pictured) built the Globe Theatre, Dunedin in their house, it was the first purpose-built theatre for professional repertory in New Zealand? Source: "Instrumental in developing and fostering New Zealand actors, directors and writers, the Globe was the first purpose-built theatre for professional repertory in the country." (From Otago Daily Times)

• Reviewed: La Bonne Cuisine

Created by DrThneed (talk). Self-nominated at 22:01, 15 May 2021 (UTC).

• Happy to consider other hooks.

• Review. The article is long enough and new enough. It is well written, clear and cited throughout. QPQ is done. Earwigs copyvio is showing some close paraphrasing see here. The hooks need adjusting, I've added a new one below, as I've now contributed to the nomination I'll ask for a new reviewer.

• ALT2: ... that Patric and Rosalie Carey (pictured) founded the Globe Theatre, New Zealand's first purpose built theatre?

Thanks for the review @Desertarun:. I have reworded some phrases, that should address the copyvio concerns but please let me know if you have remaining issues. I don't love your suggested new hook, sorry, but maybe you could explain what you didn't like about the two I proposed so I can understand better? If the next reviewer prefers ALT2 then it will need to have "repertory" inserted, as the sources state this is the first purpose-built theatre for professional repertory, rather than the first theatre of any kind.-DrThneed (talk) 01:42, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

The paraphrasing is fixed and I've struck my own hook which I can see isn't any good. I'm struggling to understand what a "repertory" is and also "Amy Rosbart". The next reviewer need only ok one of your hooks. Desertarun (talk) 07:09, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Will pickup the review. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:48, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Interesting life and work, on good sources, no copyvio obvious. The image is licensed and a good illustration, and - if taken - more attractive than any hook. I confess that I like the idea of ALT2 best. I'm not a native English speaker, so need help for the little differences of "purpose built theatre", "repertory theatre", "professional theatre". More precisely: what does "professional repertory" mean? I'd add to ALT2 that it was on their property, so perhaps word something based on ALT1 and ALT2. - I'd be curious to know what kind of theatre they played! Much more than a detail about some suit for a costume, without any idea of time and place.. How many of our readers do you think know Henry Irving? - I think we should have "Dunedin" in the hook, because readers will have heard Globe Theatre ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:08, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

One more: the sentence about no theatres in NZ doesn't belong in the England section. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:14, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Apologies for letting this hang. Honestly, the difference between types of theatre isn't entirely clear to me either, which I am hesitant to let us say it was the first purpose-built theatre in NZ when the source qualifies that statement. I'll ask a theatre friend to clarify for me tomorrow and come back with some reworked hooks. DrThneed (talk) 09:19, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Some clarification. My understanding now (thank you @Pakoire:) is that repertory theatre was where a company of actors was employed and put on a series of plays, so you would get the same actors in each production in the theatre. (Gerda, they did 12 or more productions each year, from Shakespeare to Beckett to Chekhov...and premiered most of JK Baxter's plays, which I will put more about in the article shortly). The term isn't really used now because that kind of theatre doesn't happen any more. However it isn't great to have a term like that in the hook if it isn't understood, and there isn't I don't think a very short way of explaining it. We could link to the page on repertory theatre, or we could instead go for something simpler (again, thank you Pakoire)

ALT3: ... that Patric and Rosalie Carey (pictured) loved theatre so much, they built the Globe Theatre, Dunedin, on the back of their house?

Yes, but that doesn't give us NZ. Would "professional" work? Something like

ALT3a: ... that Patric and Rosalie Carey (pictured) built New Zealand's first professional theatre on the back of their house? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:24, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

No, if we go with first theatre it has to say repertory (there were lots of theatres in NZ before the 1960s! Just not purpose built only for this sort of theatre). So we're back to something like

ALT3b: ... that Patric and Rosalie Carey (pictured) built New Zealand's first theatre for professional repertory on the back of their house? DrThneed (talk) 09:32, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

that's it, then, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:21, 8 June 2021 (UTC)