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GA Review[edit]

Passed. Bneu2013 (talk) 17:16, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Reviewer: Bneu2013 (talk · contribs) 08:47, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]


I will be reviewing this article and have my first comments very soon. I still need to read over the article thoroughly. Before I start, though, I noticed that this article is currently assessed as start-class. I'm guessing this assessment is left over from before the article was expanded. Bneu2013 (talk) 08:47, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for taking on this review @Bneu2013. Yeah, I simply forgot to change the article's rating after its expansion. Epicgenius (talk) 14:18, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Epicgenius: - I have posted all of my comments for the article body. Since there are a lot of references, I am going to hold off on these in case some of them get changed/moved/renumbered, etc., while you address the remaining comments. Bneu2013 (talk) 00:42, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I'll take a look at these tomorrow. – Epicgenius (talk) 01:07, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Epicgenius: - just a quick reminder that there's just a few more comments that need to be addressed, and the article will be good to go! Bneu2013 (talk) 18:16, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General comments[edit]

  • Be sure to add inflation adjustments to all remaining figures that you think warrant this. I don't suppose you need to do this for post-2010 figures.
  • At first I had pondered whether or not the description section needs to go before the history section, but considering how it is worded, I think it is fine the way it is. Ultimately, I think either would work, but in its current state, it definitely ain't broke. You decide.

@Epicgenius: - Once you finish the references and the other points I added, the article should be good to go. Don't forget about the inflation adjustments, the suggestion I made about including the original projected completion date, and the tense changes for the rescue cages. Bneu2013 (talk) 03:56, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I have addressed all of these now, including the inflation, tenses, completion date, and page numbers. – Epicgenius (talk) 15:55, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox and lead[edit]

  • Opening year is mentioned twice in the lead; suggest changing "having opened in 1976 to serve" to "having been constructed to serve" or something similar.
  • Suggest including when the Roosevelt Island Bridge was built and cutting "Just" at the front of this sentence.
  • After the 2010 renovation, the cabins were replaced with 110-person vehicles that could independently. - I feel like there's a word missing before "independently".
  • an elevated terminal on Manhattan. - is this supposed to say "in Manhattan" or "on Manhattan Island"? Is "on Manhattan" commonly recognized to refer to the island, not the borough?

History[edit]

Development[edit]

Construction

Opening and early operations[edit]

1970s
1980s
  • In After the tram was closed in November 1980 for haul cable replacement, the replacement cable fell twice in one month I suggest changing second use of "replacement" to "new" or something like that.
  • Curious as to why some residents didn't like the repainting.
    • Some residents really liked the tram's iconic look and felt the blue cabin really clashed with their idea of the tram's appearance. It would be as if the Statue of Liberty was repainted bronze, since people associate the Statue of Liberty with its green color. Epicgenius (talk) 16:20, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Did RIOC take over the tram as soon as it was created? If not, I suggest including the date. I also suggest a more precise date for the creation of this agency if that is available.
  • When the tramway's liability insurance policy expired, the New York State Senate failed to pass a bill allowing the state to self-insure the tramway, - was this the insurance that expired in early 1986 mentioned in the previous paragraph? If so, I suggest moving the word "liability" to this sentence. You could also reword "When the tramway's liability insurance policy expired" in this sentence to "When this occurred".
  • The New York State Senate is not the only legislative body required to pass legislation; did something pass in the State Assembly but fail in the Senate?
  • RIOC fired staff members and installed token machines in an effort to cut costs. - did this occur when the subway opened?
  • Link "New York (magazine)".
1990s

21st century[edit]

Early 2000s and increasing unreliability
Renovation and later years
  • Suggest rewording "Roosevelt Island" in Work was delayed because of challenges in bringing a large crane to Roosevelt Island to "the island", since it is used in the preceding sentence.
  • The late opening was also attributed to delays in obtaining permits for construction, since it appears that the crane logistics also delayed the project.
  • Change "to Cornell Tech" in the first sentence of the second paragraph to "here" or "this location" or something similar.
  • The reconstruction of the elevators at the Manhattan terminal was completed in April 2022 for $7 million. - the previous paragraph says the elevators were installed in 2019. Did they have to be constructed after only three years?

Description[edit]

  • I feel like a lot of the content in the first paragraph belongs in the history section and/or duplicates content in the history section.

Route and stations[edit]

Manhattan terminal
  • The plaza was created in 1980 and renovated in 2007. - change "created" to "constructed" or "built". Also, this likely belongs in the history section.
    • I've done both. (Incidentally, I used that wording because there was originally supposed to be a bus loading area on the site. The bus loading area was never built, so the space was designated as a plaza instead.) Epicgenius (talk) 01:17, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Inconsistent use of Oxford commas in first paragraph. Fix anywhere else.
  • The terminal is the equivalent of a six-story structure. - does this only refer to the height of the structure or other characteristics?
  • Does a road pass under the terminal, or just an area for buses?
  • The station originally had one elevator for wheelchairs and bicycles,[59][201] which was replaced with two larger elevators in 2022. - again, more information you might want to cover in the history section.
  • Was a building ever planned atop the terminal?
Roosevelt Island terminal

Cabins[edit]

Original cabins (1976–2010)
Current cabins (2010–present)

Structures and cabling[edit]

Drive system[edit]

  • The main drive unit had a 1,700 horsepower (1,300 kW)[229] or 2,000 horsepower (1,500 kW) motor. - reword to something like "The main drive unit had a 1,700 horsepower and a 2,000 horsepower motor." or something appropriate. Also, did both motors run simultaneously or was one a backup? Was one of them part of the auxiliary drive?
  • No information about the auxiliary drive unit.

Operations[edit]

  • Consider listing the time zone here.
  • The tram is wheelchair accessible, and bicycles are permitted on the tram. - suggest changing second use of "tram" at the end to "cabins".
  • but it shut down if crosswinds exceeded 40 miles per hour (64 km/h)[232][233] or 45 miles per hour (72 km/h). - is this discrepancy because the sources do not agree on the windspeed that it shut down? If so, consider adding "either" and a footnote about this. If it was a speed between 40 and 45 mph, reword as necessary and combine sources in a footnote that reads "Attributed to multiple references" to avoid excessive citations.
  • Thunderstorms and lightning could also shut down the route. - I don't suppose you need to mention this, but there is most certainly some kind of grounding system for lightning, right? If you do decide the mention it, the cabling section would probably be the best place.
  • at the time, most aerial trams in the U.S. served ski resorts. - I'm guessing this is likely still true.

Fares[edit]

  • Change period after "buses" to comma; looks like a typo.
  • Children who were 5 years old or younger were allowed to ride fare-free until 2010, when RIOC stopped charging fares based on age. Ever since the tramway reopened in 2010, children under 44 inches (1,100 mm) have been allowed to ride fare-free regardless of their age if they are accompanied by a paying adult. - Suggest rewording to "Children who were 5 years old or younger were allowed to ride fare-free until the 2010 closure, when RIOC stopped charging fares based on age. Ever since the tramway reopened, children under 44 inches (1,100 mm) have been allowed to ride fare-free regardless of their age if they are accompanied by a paying adult." Also, were fares determined by age prior to 2010 for other age groups? For example, did seniors get a discount?
  • If I recall, some articles about paid public transit facilities include a brief table that includes the cost over time and their inflation adjusted prices. You could do that here.

Ridership[edit]

  • You might want to consider swapping By 1989, the year the 63rd Street subway line began serving the island, the tramway saw 5,500 daily riders on average. and Within a month of the subway's opening, the tram's weekly ridership declined from 35,000 to 20,000., rewording as necessary.
  • I'm guessing the 10,000 passengers a day figure was short-lived, considering that an annual average of this many would amount to about 3.65 million passengers.
    • That is correct. I think many of these passengers may have traveled from other parts of the city just to ride the tramway; the route had to limit ridership to residents after a few weeks. Epicgenius (talk) 23:18, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Based on the daily ridership figures during the strike, it looks like ridership declined after 1998, but increased between the strike and the renovation. Why was this?
  • After the renovation was complete, daily ridership increased to 6,000,[176] and annual ridership was about 2.2 million - considering that ridership was at 2 million annually before the closure and renovation, this is not actually a huge increase (2 million a year is about 5,500 a day). I suggest adding an adjective like "slightly" or "modestly" to the sentence.

Impact[edit]

Critical reception[edit]

Impact[edit]

  • Other films that have used the tramway as a setting include Spider-Man (2002)[260][263] and Dark Water (2005). - were any scenes actually filmed on the tramway, or just set there?

References[edit]

@Epicgenius: - Just a few more comments to address here and the article will pass. Bneu2013 (talk) 05:43, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I forgot about these - will take care of them shortly (within the next day). – Epicgenius (talk) 18:21, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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