Talk:Roman hairstyles

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Roman Hairstyles wiki finished at 12:30pm 25/11/09

I plan to add in information about male hairstyles after this date. For now the page is finished.

Ubc.roman.women (talk) 20:35, 25 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

New research indicates that these hairstyles may have been achieved without use of wigs. See Wall Street Journal: On Pins and Needles: Stylist Turns Ancient Hairdo Debate on Its Head 2013-02-06. This article may need updates. ejly (talk) 14:37, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You can find Janet Stephen's article here and her Youtube page here B mazuki (talk) 18:39, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@B mazuki & @Ubc.roman.women & @Ejl - This e-dress still functions as of today - https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324900204578286272195339456

Thank you for your time, Wordreader (talk) 21:02, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed Merge

I propose merging Hairstyles in Ancient Rome into Roman Hairstyles. Both articles appear to be of similar topics. Both cover barbery, and the varieties of hair that existed in Ancient Roman society. The only major difference is that Hairstyles in Ancient Rome appears to cover the significance of Ancient Roman hair. Both articles even have similar names. Ewf9h-bg (talk) 23:44, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support: the overlap is pretty significant, and I don't see any separability for the topics, although I'm not entirely happy with either title—perhaps "Roman hairstyling" would be better. I was going to suggest that barbery might support a separate topic, but not sure. Both articles could use some work to clean up obviously dubious claims and miscellanea: for instance the claim that letting one's beard grow indicated "mourning for someone convicted of a crime". I believe I just recently saw in another article that it could symbolize mourning in general, or the performance of certain religious rites—why there would be a special custom for mourning someone convicted of a crime I have no idea. And next to the bust of Caesar it says that baldness was "considered a deformity"—surely a considerable exaggeration. There's a wide gulf between vanity or projecting an image of virility, and not being "deformed"; surely lots of Roman men—some of them quite prominent—were bald or balding, and one of the articles even mentions a popular trend of shaving the head—surely baldness couldn't be considered a "deformity" if men were deliberately shaving their heads. P Aculeius (talk) 13:38, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support: pretty clearly cover the same topic. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 19:49, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Eh...

It is apparent men never wore this, since there is no biological difference in hair between sexes this is a practice determined solely by culture.

Are we adding this as a header to all articles on hairstyles in every culture on earth? or is this just an overzealous editor getting into some needless, WP:UNDUE, and unsourced editorializing?

For what it's worth, aside from the terrible grammar, it's also almost certainly wrong for myriad reasons: the incompleteness of the historical record, the extreme openness of many to sexual experimentation, the existence of slaves in a multicultural empire, known gender-bending up to and including the emperors, Saturnalia, &c. &c. & multa multa cetera.

Basically, when someone has the time and interest to clean up this article, all of the content added by this college-age editor in this series of edits should be gone through to keep the actual facts while removing their copious (and unsourced and dubious) editorializing. — LlywelynII 23:33, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]