Talk:Roderigo Lopes

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While Marlowe's Jew of Malta may have been a partial spur to Elizabethan public interest in anti-semitism, anyone who regards that play as a major influence on Shakespeare's Merchant of Venice has never seen or read Marlowe's play. Marlowe's Jew is a machiavel whose unmitigated glee in performing the most despicable acts transforms the whole play into a Borat-like sendup of antisemitism.

Shakespeare's Merchant, by contrast, actually addresses antisemitism. Although some may feel its "conclusion" is insufficiently condemnatory of antisemitism, in fact Shylock's hard-heartedness is provided substantial basis in the despicable acts of the Christians surrounding him. Marlowe's Jew, however, probably did inspire Shakespeare's creation of his only gleeful machiavel: Richard III. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.185.221.100 (talk) 17:53, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

grammar query

What does the sentence He was viewed, at least outwardly, as being a dutiful practicing Protestant here mean? Perhaps he was, at least outwardly, a dutiful practicing Protestant, and he was viewed as such, or At least in those views that people expressed publically, he was a dutiful &c., or does outwardly imply outside his circle of confidants? - Pseudomonas_(talk) 14:32, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Don't be such a pedant; you know full well what it means.

medieval?

I would suggest all of these medieval categories be deleted as they are hardly appropriate for someone who died in 1594 (very much in the early modern era).Gamonetus (talk) 02:23, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

I replaced the medieval categories with appropriate newly-created "16th century" categories relating to physicians. Davshul (talk) 18:51, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Requested move 18 July 2015

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The result of the move request was: moved to Roderigo Lopez. Andrewa (talk) 23:39, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

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Rodrigo López (physician) → Rodrigo Lopez (physician) – The name "Lopez" does not seem to have an accent on the "o" in Portuguese, and obviously does not in English (it does in Spanish). In any case the sources I have seen seem not to put an accent on the "o" (some examples: [1], [2], [3]). Perhaps we should follow suit? —  Cliftonian (talk)  12:37, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

• Support - no accent in Portuguese. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:04, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Sure, but the name is spelt Lopes in Portuguese. Why does this matter, anyway? This is not Spanish or Portuguese Wikipedia. —  AjaxSmack  04:33, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

• Support per the common name used in reliable sources. (BTW, the forename Roderigo seems slightly more common in Google Books than Rodrigo.) —  AjaxSmack  04:33, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
• Support, but I would also support moving to just Rodrigo Lopez. The physician, not either of the sportsmen, is the primary topic. In any case, his name is commonly spelled without any accent in English. 209.211.131.181 (talk) 04:39, 19 July 2015 (UTC)But see below for more. 209.211.131.181 (talk) 18:57, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

• I must admit that hadn't occurred to me. I'd also support moving to just Rodrigo Lopez. —  Cliftonian (talk)  04:56, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

• I'd actually prefer Roderigo Lopez, on reflection. —  Cliftonian (talk)  18:20, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Apart from this article, I'd only ever seen his name written as "Rodrigo", and that's why I preferred it above, but Google has convinced me that "Roderigo" is actually more common - and also, of course, how he himself spelled it. So, in fact, I would prefer Roderigo Lopez myself, with the other preferences I listed above still being acceptable. 209.211.131.181 (talk) 18:57, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

• Move to Roderigo Lopez per comments above. Cavarrone 09:42, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

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GA Review

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Reviewer: Calvin999 (talk · contribs) 10:05, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi, I'm Calvin999, I am reviewing this nomination.

• to poison the Queen. → You've already said Queen Elizabeth, so I'd recommend 'her' to avoid repetition.

• I've tried this on preview, and I think it's worth keeping "poison the Queen" just to emphasise the gravity of what he was convicted of. Not just conspiring to poison, but conspiring to poison the Queen. Just me judice of course. —  Cliftonian (talk)  18:42, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

• The lead is too overly detailed for the size of the article, especially the third paragraph. I feel as though I don't need to read on because you've told me the essentials already.

• I've pruned it somewhat. —  Cliftonian (talk)  18:42, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

• He graduated BA under → What do you mean? He received a Bachelor of Arts?

• He became a Bachelor of Arts, yes. I've added wikilinks to clarify. —  Cliftonian (talk)  18:42, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

• and tithes in → ?

• Money. I've added a wikilink. —  Cliftonian (talk)  18:42, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Outcome

That's it! On hold for 7 days, but I doubt you'll need that long.  — Calvin999 16:22, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Calvin. I hope my responses are adequate. Cheers again and I hope you're well. —  Cliftonian (talk)  18:42, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes, great article. Passing. 18:53, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you very much. —  Cliftonian (talk)  19:08, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Name

Currently the article's title is Roderigo Lopez but the article starts "Roderigo Lopes (also called Ruy Lopes, Ruy Lopez or Roger Lopez and also Rodrigo Lopes; c. 1517 – 7 June 1594)". According to Samuel S. Kottek "His name should be written either ‘Roderigo Lopes’ in Portuguese, or ‘Rodrigo Lopez’ in Spanish. Usually, in his time, he was called ‘Doctor Lopus’".. Section #2 Royal physician already includes a quote referring to him as Doctor Lopus. Additional sources for that spelling are the roll of the Royal College of Physicians and The history of St. Bartholomew's Hospital by Norman Moore where he's mentioned as Roderigo Lopus (with "also written Lopez,and Lopes" in a note). Alex Sakula mentions the name was occasionally Latinised as Ruy Lopus. According to Edgar Samuel's ODNB article he was born in Portugal to António Lopes; a brother was Diego Lopes Aleman. In Doctor Roderigo Lopes and the Marrano Jews in England: A Biographical Research Report Millie Efraim writes "I have chosen to refer to Doctor Lopes in the Portuguese spelling of his name, Roderigo Lopes, as opposed to the Spanish spelling, Rodrigo Lopez, in acknowledgement of his disdain of Spain"

On the basis of the above the title should be Roderigo Lopes and the article should start "Roderigo Lopes (also called Ruy Lopes, Ruy Lopez, Roderigo Lopus, Ruy Lopus, Roger Lopez and Rodrigo Lopes; also referred to as Roderigo Lopez and Rodrigo Lopez ...)" and Lopes should appear in the rest of the article.

Since the quote near the end of Section #3 from Edgar Samuel's ODNB article is from Count Gondomar's letter to Philip III of Spain was presumably in Spanish it would reflect the Spanish spelling of his name. Mcljlm (talk) 18:04, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Since there've not been any replies to the above I've changed the article's title. Mcljlm (talk) 06:01, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

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