Talk:Roberto Luongo/Archive 1

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Archive 1

March 2007

Slightly edited the section pertaining to Luongo's time with the Canucks thus far to more of a neutral position; after all, this is Wikipedia, not the canucks.com message forum. I'm a very big Luongo fan and an even bigger fan of the Canucks, but let's not get carried away, Wikipedia should remain as unbiased and fair as possible... CanuckGod 14:38, 17 March 2007 (UTC) P.S. Also added information on Luongo hitting the 40 win mark. CanuckGod 14:39, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't it be that he is chasing Broduer's win record now? ;) 71.172.240.136 16:43, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

So much for the record now though.

Regarding a statement

"In a random survey of 5000 people, 80% of the pollers thought Luongo was the best goaltender in the NHL"

I am having trouble with the statement. The statement, as introduced, stated 500 people, with 75% support, then it changed to 80% support, then it changed to 5000 people surveyed. As far as I can tell, the statement was introduced into the article here [1], and I can't find a source to substantiate the various edits to this statement, or even the statement itself. As such, I have to say this statement has to go until someone comes up with the source. ThePointblank 13:39, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Not related to this article but...

Can we persuade Jimbo and the admins to redirect this article to God? The Canucks just won Game 7 of the 1st round in the Stanley Cup Playoffs!!! X) --Jw21/PenaltyKillah^talk_GO'NUCKSGO!! 04:15, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Come on now. I'm just as happy that the Canucks finally won a series, but it was only the first round. We got people here calling for them to win the Cup, or at least make the Finals. When Luongo does that, then there will be a good case to redirect God to Luongo. Kaiser matias 04:28, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

god I love this goalie!! -Leigh

Oops, god messed up on that last goal (by Scott Niedermayer) and we won't go into the real reason, why he was late for the overtime. No, we better not add that to the article. GoodDay 22:04, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Why Sabourin played Game 5 of the Ducks series

I can't find a source and as such I know it can't be added to the page, but I do believe Luongo had diarrhea and that was why he had to sit out. I read this in a paper but sadly I don't remember which paper or when. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.85.9.71 (talk) 05:36, 10 May 2007 (UTC).

I've properly sourced it from the Vancouver Sun. It is one of the worst kept secrets during the playoffs now that Roberto had to go to the washroom in overtime. ThePointblank 04:12, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for reverting that edit earlier. I haven't read the article, and didn't know that it had been published. Perhaps if someone included a reference to that, it would keep it from being reverted as I myself did, because a lot of people have not had the chance to read the article. Kaiser matias 08:15, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

World Junior Championships

Anyone want to take a stab at adding some sentences about his world junior championship play in 1998 and 1999? Canuckle 22:23, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

18 years old ?

Says he was 18 years old when he joined the Val d'or Foreurs. I believe it might have been a typo. 16 years old might be more right given that he was born in 1979 and joined the Foreurs for the 1994-1995 season. --Tibrin 14:46, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Picture conflict

I reverted the decision to change the picture from Roberto_Luongo.jpg to Roberto_Luongo_2007a.jpg in the info box, given that the previous picture chosen is a far better resolution, and therefore, better suited to head the page. Because this is a matter of opinion, I decided to start this discussion for anyone who disagrees. Orlandkurtenbach (talk) 07:06, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

First goalie to be named captain, in NHL history??

Are were certain of that folks? GoodDay (talk) 23:14, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Bill Durnan served as the captain of the of the Montreal Canadiens in the 1947-48 NHL season. ThePointblank (talk) 00:17, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Shutout record

Luongo got his 22nd shutout as a Vancouver Canuck, which is a record for them with regards to goalies. Please edit it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.1.239.18 (talk) 15:20, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

January 2010

"The Val-d'Or Foreurs made Luongo the highest drafted player in QMJHL history at second overall in 1995." — This should read "... the highest-drafted ''goaltender'' in QMJHL history, at second overall in 1995." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.1.120.200 (talk) 01:08, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Good call. Changed it. Orlandkurtenbach (talk) 01:35, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

2005 U-17 Tournament?

It says he won bronize in the U-17 tournament in 2005. How is that possible if he was already in the NHL for a good seven years? Mr. C.C. (talk) 01:56, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

fixed. it was 1995, and it was for Team Quebec. --Львівське (talk) 02:37, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Improve page loading time

(This is following up on a discussion in Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Roberto Luongo/archive1.)

This page takes too long to edit; it often takes me more than 20 seconds to save a page, maybe even longer. Most of this slowness is due to the use of {{cite web}} and similar templates. After bringing this up on the FA review page and being encouraged by the response, I just now redid the page with the {{vcite web}} and similar templates, which are much faster: in one test this reduced page load time from 15.9 to 8.2 seconds, a significant savings. Also, the new HTML page is 216,468 bytes rather than the old one's 317,784 bytes: this is a 32% savings for all readers (not just editors). These new templates don't use the same citation style, though, so I thought I'd revert them and bring the topic up here before installing them more permanently, as the faster templates use Vancouver system style, which is a bit different. You can see the old and new pages and compare their citation sections if you'd like to check it out. Eubulides (talk) 23:32, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

No further comment, so I did that. Eubulides (talk) 20:17, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Citing news

This page cited news sources such as the Vancouver Sun and the New York Times as if they were random web pages. Generally speaking, news sources should be cited as news sources, regardless of whether they happen to be published on the web, so I installed a change to do that. Eubulides (talk) 20:17, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

A few more thoughts, while we're on the subject of citations:

News stories with bylines or other indications of authorship should have their authors cited. I did one but the rest need checking too.
There's no need to use |accessdate= when citing relatively-stable sources such as news archives. |accessdate= is more for flighty web sites where pages can change without notice and there are no publication dates.
There's no need to wikilink to publications, such as to the Vancouver Sun article. It's WP:OVERLINKING to do this over and over again in the citations anyway, and even if we limit ourselves to one wikilink per source the wikilinks help little and make it likely that a person will mistakenly click on the wikilink to the Vancouver Sun page when they meant to click on the external link to the actual source.

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School

Hi there. New to wiki. Hope I'm doing this right. I'd just like to point out that Luongo is a graduate of École secondaire Antoine St-Exupéry in Montreal. This is not a "French immersion" school. It's a regular French language school. There's a big difference. Here's the website of the school: [2]. Here's a website of the alumni of the school: [3]. You'll see Luongo graduated in '96.--Karltodd (talk) 05:17, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi again. Just to point out, the original article cited to explain to what kind of school Luongo went says it was merely a French school, not a French immersion school: "Then I went to French school growing up, so it was a bit of everything." I hope this helps. --Karltodd 16:07, 28 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Karltodd (talk • contribs)

Hm. Thanks for pointing that out. I'll look into it soon and edit accordingly. Orlandkurtenbach (talk) 22:35, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi again. Thanks for taking my idea into consideration and changing it. However, I noticed something a little funny about the new sentence: "Luongo mastered French while attending Antoine de St-Exupéry in Montreal, a Francophone high school from which he graduated in 1996." It implies that Luongo didn't know or master French before entering high school. Montreal's a French-speaking city and he, more than likely, went to a French primary school and already spoke fluently before high school. I'd change the sentence to simply: "Luongo attended Antoine de St-Exupéry in Montreal, a francophone high school from which he graduated in 1996." Thanks again. I'm going to try to sign properly this time.

Karltodd 05:31, 3 March 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Karltodd (talk • contribs)

Good point. I feel like I remember a quote saying he specifically mastered French at high school, but I couldn't find it anywhere in the refs cited, so I've gone ahead and changed it. Thanks. Orlandkurtenbach (talk) 22:15, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Mother's background

I've reverted several edits replacing Luongo's mother as "Irish-Canadian" to Italian. I don't doubt that she is Italian, in addition to Irish, but unless there is a reference that clearly states that she is "first generation Italian-Canadian" or anything to that extent, I have to keep reverting edits that state it. Orlandkurtenbach (talk) 22:50, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Probably the best thing to do right now is just leave out any mention of her ancestry. Yes, the NYT has an article stating that she is Irish-Canadian. But newspapers do make mistakes. ... discospinster _talk 23:30, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

There's a second source, as well, confirming her Irish background though. Orlandkurtenbach (talk) 23:48, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

I did some further digging. Here's an Italian article covering Luongo's ancestry: [4]. Translating it through Google or something similar will get you some pretty choppy English, but I'm personally Italian, so I can help you through it. (I obviously don't just expect you to take my word for it though.) According to this article, Luongo's parents are both from Santa Paolina, Italy,(beginning of second paragraph) but his mother Pasqualina is Irish (beginning of third paragraph). What I think this article does to help alleviate the conflict though is mention that she came from Italy (which I think a lot of people here will appreciate), but is in fact of Irish descent. Really hope this helps. Orlandkurtenbach (talk) 00:19, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Ok, here's another Italian article [5] that interviewed Luongo about his hertiage. Luongo says, in Italian, that his mother is simply Canadian with Irish descent (following the third header "Quali sono le sue origini?"). I would say this is probably the best possible source for the issue at hand, albeit in a different language. It's a direct quote from Luongo and is from a credible Italian newsmagazine L'espresso. Orlandkurtenbach (talk) 00:36, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough, I guess she really is Irish. ... discospinster _talk 02:07, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

I agree, it seems weird.. Orlandkurtenbach (talk) 02:45, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZsoUl0R01k . Can this please get changed already?

Factual mistake

Luongo never won Hart Trophy or Lester Pearson Trophy- it is a factual mistake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.119.97.231 (talk) 12:22, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

The article never says he won those awards what is says in the lead is "Luongo has been a finalist for the..." which is true. Later it says "At the end of the season, Luongo was nominated for three major NHL awards:...However, Luongo finished second in voting for all three awards" --Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 13:37, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Nickname

Roberto "Great Save" Luongo, since the great play by play man Jim Hughson's classic game call is "Great save Luongo!" Somebody add this to the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.120.22.4 (talk) 04:32, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Not for nothing but this doesn't seem appropriate given the (a) lack of citation (if you add citation to your request I'd ignore this one, (b) commonality of "great save" in a Play-by-Play man's call of a Hockey game (see: "Save by Thomas!"), used often by Jack Edwards...but I digress) and Wikipedia is supposed to be Nuetral POV; adding that as a nickname is edging towards non-nuetral POV. Just saying. --Boston Burkenation (talk) 21:01, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

I would agree with the above statement. Also Luongo is often called Bobby Lu which would be his nickname, especially since no one calls him "great save".--Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 16:52, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 1 December 2011

{{edit semi-protected}} To add to the last line of Luongo's career to present date: on December 1st 2011 despite only being in the second year of his 12 year 64 million dollar contract Luongo lost his starting job to the Canucks back up goalie Cory Schneider. Roberto insured his spot on the bench after a weak start to the season and missing two games due to a minor undisclosed injury which occurred on Nov. 15 2011, Schneider started the game against the Chicago Blackhawks on November. 15, 2011, the game resulted in a 5-1 loss for the Canucks. Despite his poor start Cory Schneider led the Canucks to 5 wins throughout the rest of November, stopping 164 of the 168 shots he faced which registered a .937 save percentage a number that registered second best in the NHL.

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Not done, because you gave no references. Chzz ► 07:23, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Not done I think something like what you've written could be added at the end of the year once we can see how this "goalie controversy" fits in the grander scope of his career. If, by the end of the year, he has been supplanted as the starting goalie, then we can write in greater detail about it. For now, I think all we can really add is that he was injured and that once he recovered, he stayed on the bench due to Schneider's play. Orlandkurtenbach (talk) 21:56, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Misspelled name

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Otherwise very good and helpful article, but Tuukka Rask is spelled wrong. Mnemonic: it's two us, two ks, two points. Here is the sentence in which the misspelling happens.

"Together, Luongo and Schneider won the William M. Jennings Trophy for leading the Canucks to the lowest GAA in the league; their combined 2.20 GAA was one-tenth better than the Boston Bruins's second-place goaltending tandem of Tim Thomas and Tuuka Rask."

Done I fixed the spelling in that sentence. Thanks for pointing it out.--Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 16:23, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome :) Strawberrysgirl (talk) 15:34, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Ancestry

Does anybody know where Luongo's family is from? The name sounds Italian or Spanish it would be interesting to know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.207.51.3 (talk) 03:29, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

His parents came over from Italy, as it says in this interview. Should probably be put into the page. Kaiser matias 04:58, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

His parents are both definitely of Italian descent. 11-17geek (talk) 17:47, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Do you have a reliable source to back up that claim? This says that Luongo is "the son of an Italian immigrant father and an Irish-Canadian mother, Luongo speaks English, Italian and French." This only mentions that his father was from Italy. It would be odd if they did not include his mother if she too was from Italy. I'm not saying you're wrong, but we need a way to verify it. – Skyezx^message 02:01, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Probably not unbiased and neutral to portray Gabriela Luongo as a future Team Canada all star. Though this little angel does have the genes for it. !!24.77.37.48 (talk) 17:01, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry if I screwed this up, but I'm very new to this...as in 5 mins ago! I corrected the Irish-canadian thing...Lina is definitely Italian (well, first generation born in Montreal). Her parents were both born in Italy. I know I have no way of proving this, but I'm part of the family, so I know this for a fact.--OnomatopeWhat? (talk) 19:19, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Who do you claim to be ?? His mother is not of Irish descent, I know this for a fact, I grew up with his family in St Leonard !! Do your research properly!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gio8284 (talk • contribs) 22:17, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

On the Internet, anybody and everybody can claim to know the Luongos, but it means very little until you can actually prove it. (I'm sorry, but how can anybody tell if you're really telling the truth?) Again, if you can find published sources that clarifies anything in the article, please please please post it here. This request is sincere. While researching the Luongos last year, that article (stating the Irish descent) was the only one I could find. If you can find a better one, by all means include it in the reference section of the Roberto article. Remember that it has to be a reliable, published source. Wikipedia is a collaborative project, so everybody is welcome to contribute (and I encourage you to do so!). – Skyezx^message 07:40, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm watching this page. Don't try anything. You know who you are.--Planetary 05:06, 3 March 2007 (UTC) I know his family personally I grew up in the same community..So whoever made up that his mother is Irish is badly mis-informed!! It is absoulety false!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gio8284 (talk • contribs) 22:11, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Actually now that I think about it, there are others who can do this much better than I. Unwatching...

Seems there are still people taking issue with Luongo's mother being Irish. For the record, in this Italian interview, Luongo himself states that his mother is of Irish descent: [In Italian] "Papà Antonio è di Avellino, mamma Pasqualina è canadese discendente irlandese." For those of you who claim to have grown up with Luongo and that his mother is Italian, it's likely that his mother spoke Italian or even has some Italian roots as well, but officially... from Luongo himself... she is Irish. Orlandkurtenbach (talk) 23:41, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

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In the bio box, it says Luongo plays for the Panters. It should be the Florida Panthers. RedHudson8 (talk) 21:48, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Already done. Anon126 (talk - contribs) 22:28, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

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Robertos brother Leo ist now coach in Swizerland: http://www.hclugano.ch/?u=home_de&lan=en&newsDetail=2734&type_news=Shop Bwr53 (talk) 08:00, 7 August 2014 (UTC) Bwr53 (talk) 08:00, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Done. Stickee (talk) 10:32, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

TSN external link

TSN.ca has changed the urls for player pages. The "1050" needs to be changed to "roberto-luongo". Had I been able to edit the article, I would have also applied the template to the hockey-reference link. --208.123.178.130 (talk) 05:27, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Done Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 12:42, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

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Change "while Luongo's mother, an Irish-Canadian" to "while Luongo's mother, an Italian-Canadian". This information is confirmed in a quote from Luongo himself, here: http://www.espn.co.uk/nhl/story/_/id/21075579/nhl-roberto-luongo-italian-heritage-twitter-following-poker-plans. He specifically says "even though my mom was born in Canada, her parents were born in Italy". The Wikipedia page currently provides erroneous information because reference 10 is a NYT article that erroneously says she is Irish-Canadian, when Luongo himself says she is Italian. Her name Pasqualina is an Italian name further confirming this. Reference 10 should be updated with this ESPN link. 67.71.143.249 (talk) 01:24, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

Your source conflicts with the NY Times source and the other two links at that spot in the article are dead. Do you have other sources that could back up the claim that both sides of his family are Italian? Could his mother's parents, even though apparently from Italy, be of Irish descent still? Air.light (talk) 01:59, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. — Newslinger talk 10:11, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 February 2019

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In the second stint with the Panthers, there should be an addition that, on February 10, 2019, Roberto Luongo played in his 1030th career, passing Patrick Roy (1029 GP) for second all time, and sitting only behind Martin Brodeur (1266 GP).

Working I'll make sure I get to that. Just making some quick reverts and responses on my watchlist before I gotta bounce. Thank you. dannymusiceditor ^oops 01:33, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Done and thank you! dannymusiceditor ^oops 18:31, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

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change ((Eric Fichaud)) to ((Éric Fichaud)) 2601:541:4580:8500:555D:6351:FD54:7C90 (talk) 19:32, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Done RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 19:58, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 December 2021

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Robert Luongo is no longer the third winningest goalie in NHL history. Luongo was recently surpassed by Chicago Blackhawks goalie, Marc-Andre Fleury (500+ wins compared to Luongo’s 489).

Currently, the Article states the following: “Luongo is second all time in games played as an NHL goaltender (1,044) and third all time in wins (489).”

The Article should be updated as follows: “Luongo is second all time in games played as an NHL goaltender (1,044) and fourth all time in wins (489).”

Sources: https://www.nhl.com/blackhawks/news/news-fleury-becomes-third-goalie-in-nhl-history-to-reach-500-career-wins/c-328710076

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/sports/blackhawks-marc-andre-fleury-becomes-3rd-goalie-in-nhl-history-with-500-wins/2704401/?amp 108.7.218.145 (talk) 04:55, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Done. ◢ Ganbaruby!  (talk) 05:38, 12 December 2021 (UTC)