Talk:Robert Evans (journalist)

Reference notes

• Podmass regrets to inform you that most podcasts are about COVID-19 now (AV Club, March 2020)
• https://www.csindy.com/EventHorizon/archives/2020/03/25/four-ways-to-enjoy-spending-time-at-home-this-week (Colorado Springs Indy, March 2020)
• Investigative reporter Robert Evans: "We're on the edge of an authoritarian nightmare" (Salon, April 2020)
• Podcast Spotlight: "It Could Happen Here" Takes Listeners On a Hypothetical Journey Through a Second Civil War (iHeart Media, March 2019, press release)
• Meet the Syrian Women Fighting For a Better, Fairer Future In iHeartRadio’s New Original Podcast, “The Women’s War” (iHeartMedia, March 2020, press release)
• The Efforts To Misdirect In Shooter's Screed (NPR, March 2019, short interview)
• Site's Ties To Shootings Renew Debate Over Internet's Role In Radicalizing Extremists (NPR, April 2019, mostly as expert)
• From Boob Jokes to Ukraine: A Talk With Robert Evans of Cracked.Com
• What We Pretend to Know About the Coronavirus Could Kill Us (NYT Option, April 2020, author is opinion editor at large)
• 8chan, the Hate Site That’s Hard to Kill (Slate podcast, June 2020)
• Right-wing figures warn of looming 'civil war' over abortion laws (Independent, May 2019): "Robert Evans, journalist and host of It Could Happen Here, a podcast which explores potential scenarios for a new American civil war."
• Bianca Devins: The teenager whose murder was exploited for clicks (BBC, July 2019): "an investigative journalist who specialises in radicalisation online"
• 'Uniquely Lawless': Security Firm Drops 8chan Website Following El Paso Shooting (OPB, August 2019): "a journalist who studies extremism on the Internet"
• How the Christchurch Shooter Played the World’s Media (Foreign Policy, March 2019): "a journalist and researcher who has written extensively about online extremist groups"
• The Proud Boys Got A Bunch Of New Followers After Trump Said To “Stand By” (BFN, Sep 2020)
• Election chaos and violence possible in Tennessee, experts say (Tennessee Lookout, Oct 2020)
• The Planted Row: The consequences of disrespect (Aberdeen News, editorial)
• The Complicated Truth About the Boogaloo Movement (Reason, Oct 2020)
• ‘I assume at some point I will be injured or arrested’: Portland video journalist on challenge of covering 100 days of protests (Independent, Sep 2020, brief)
• Perry, Louise. "Could it really happen here?". The Critic. The Critic. Retrieved 20 July 2020.

Lawsuit:

• Portland: 3rd class-action suit over police use of force (AP, Jul 2009)
• In lawsuit, journalists outline attacks by Portland police while covering protests (pressfreedomtracker, Jun 2020)

Possible external Links

Articles at Bellingcat

Content at Cracked

Reddit AMA in 2015 as Cracked manager

Expert reference to specific articles

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Jlevi (talk) 15:57, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

above unsigned?

i'd like to add one, a long interview. https://anchor.fm/bzlistening/episodes/10--Robert-Evans---Journalist-e3g2if Irtapil (talk) 15:47, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! Probably considered a primary source with low editorial control, so it might be tricky to use outside an external link, but a cool interview. Jlevi (talk) 15:57, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Comments re: GA nom

Every para needs at least one citation (at the end) to pass GA. This article doesn't currently meet that requirement. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:47, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Robert Evans (journalist)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Sturmvogel 66 (talk · contribs) 16:54, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

I'll get to this shortly.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 16:54, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

• Not sure why this is in MilHist, but I'll give it a shot regardless
• Spell out EMT before using the abbreviation.

Y Jlevi (talk) 15:25, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

• Did he finish his EMT cert or did he drop that too?

Good question! I don't know. I'd actually be curious to hear your opinion on this whole 'Early life' subsection. Right now, almost no reliable source describes Robert's personal life. This is currently sourced to a podcast. Should the section be dropped? This probably applies to the 'political beliefs' section too. Jlevi (talk) 15:25, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

I've waffled over this a bit, but I think that you're right. He's not a reliable source about his own life, as absurd as that appears on the face of it. I've seen too many cases where people exaggerate things in their favor; so go ahead and delete early life and political beliefs.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 00:44, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

• used commentary and writing of Evans' awkward

See diff. Better? Jlevi (talk) 15:25, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

Much.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 00:44, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

• Link 4chan, tear gas, grenade, anarchism, social safety net, small government

Y Jlevi (talk) 15:25, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

• On Saturday August 22, comma after Saturday

Y Jlevi (talk) 15:25, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

• force at the protest protests

Y Jlevi (talk) 15:25, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

• government but also comma after government

Y Jlevi (talk) 15:25, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

• Be consistent about using title case in the article title in your refs--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 00:27, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

You missed #9, 11, 14--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 00:44, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for taking up the review! Jlevi (talk) 15:25, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

@Sturmvogel 66: @Jlevi: Thanks for taking the time to review my nomination!--Prisencolin (talk) 05:50, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Ideally put refs at the end of each sentence. Refs at the end of the paragraph leaders to extra bits being inserted that the ref doesn't actually support. Irtapil (talk) 09:25, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 12:28, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

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• ... that Robert Evans, an independent journalist, had his hand broken by a member of the Proud Boys while covering George Floyd protests in Portland, Oregon? ([9]: "... a reporter’s hand was broken by a rightwing protester with a baton, and video of the incident went viral on social media. That reporter, Robert Evans, ... That assailant was identified by Bellingcat on Tuesday as Travis Taylor, a Portland-based Proud Boy...")
  • ALT1:... that Robert Evans joined another journalist in a non-monetary class-action lawsuit against the city of Portland for police interference with the freedom of speech and press of journalists and protesters?" [10]: "The class-action complaint named three plaintiffs, Robert Evans, Bea Lake and Sadie Oliver-Grey, and contains seven allegations, including assault, battery, negligence, false arrest and intentional infliction of emotional distress....In the lawsuit, the three plaintiffs allege that Portland police have been unnecessarily violent with protesters, interfered with their right to free speech and stopped journalists from doing their jobs."
  • ALT2:... that before Robert Evans started reporting on such heavy topics as the boogaloo boys, Gamergate, and shooter manifestos, he got his start leading a team at the comedy website Cracked.com." [11]: "In its “personal experience” articles, written by a team run by Robert Evans, one of the site’s editorial managers, Cracked has created a unique blend of hard news, in-depth profile, memoir—and crude, bleak humor."
  • ALT3:... that journalist Robert Evans explored the possibility of a second American Civil War in his 2019 podcast It Could Happen Here? [12]: "Robert Evans, journalist and host of It Could Happen Here, a podcast which explores potential scenarios for a new American civil war."

Improved to Good Article status by Jlevi (talk). Self-nominated at 20:32, 1 October 2020 (UTC).

Reviewed for QPQ: Template:Did you know nominations/Shah Jalal Dargah (my first!)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: I think ALT0 is most interesting. All of the hooks meet requirements, imo, except for ALT2 because of the subjective labeling of "heavy" topics, which is not supported by the article. (t · c) buidhe 20:56, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Oh cool. This nomination led to "oh wow that's weird as hell". Jlevi (talk) 16:50, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Some random stuff he's claimed on the BtB podcast maybe for personal life:

Pretty Boy Floyd is his cousin. He can legally call himself a "reverend doctor" through some fake online degree service (not to fool anyone but just for the hell of it, the type of people who legitimate call themselves that are usually subjects of the pod). Any fellow listeners can provide links? --Anon contributor 375 (talk) 18:26, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

No. Addition of personal details are probably undue where not discussed in RS. Jlevi (talk) 19:29, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

He says so many things that are obviously sarcastic, and actively censors details (place names) that would give too much information about where he is, I don't think anything he says about his own life in BtB should be considered credible for the purposes of an encyclopedia article. 2605:1100:34C0:0:1CAC:C347:1AA2:5862 (talk) 18:09, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

info to add/edit?

Hey, on Behind the Bastards, Robert has mentioned growing up in Dallas, TX in a fairly republican family. In the boyscouts episode, he says he went through a phase of libertarian atheism in his teens, but several experiences over the years have pushed him to the left, one of which was a classmate confiding that he was gay and then begging Robert not to tell anyone (hence the mention). 173.180.180.234 (talk) 21:25, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia typically disfavors using the person themselves as a source for the article about them, so his podcast is not used as a source for this article. If you can find another source independent of Evans that discusses this we could definitely include. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 01:26, 8 August 2022 (UTC)