Talk:Riders of the Purple Sage (band)

(Priority)

It has just recently been acknowledged (in the most recent 10 years) that there was a first Riders of the Purple Sage was formed circa 1932 by Jack Dalton and was disbanded after a couple of years. If Buck Page's group was indeed named Riders of the Purple Sage (for a short time they were advertised additionally as the "Sons of the Purple Sage" in a Village Barn, New York advertisement), they were the second. Foy Willing's Riders of the Purple Sage, formed by Foy in 1943 when he started the Hollywood Barn Dance on CBS radio, was the third group, and became the most popular after following in the footsteps of Buck Page who cut the trail for Foy and established the name on Coast to Coast radio. Although disbanding in 1952, it is rumored to be temporary; It is claimed that Foy never relinquished the name and periodically reorganized and recorded his Riders of the Purple Sage until his death, July 24, 1978.
Sharon Lee Willing, author of "No One to Cry To," a biography of Foy Willing.
    Sharonleewilling (talk) 21:56, 29 March 2008 (UTC)I have examined the edit history of this talk page, found that the immediately preceding sig line and time/date that i have just struck thru were neither placed there using the signing WP account nor at the time nor date accompanying the contribution.--Jerzy•t 09:24, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

I have moved from here into chronological order (among talk contributions addressing the same preceding contrib), and clarified the formatting of, the IP user 63.215...'s contrib, that was added a bit confusingly at this point.
--Jerzy•t 09:24, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

   FWIW, Willings's book is at Google Books; FWIW, her claim about the "Village Barn", if in the book, is apparently made without mention of that phrase.
   We have no Foy Willing article, but about 14 mentions of him.
--Jerzy•t 07:17, 24 July 2010, w/ reformating & move w/in page, 09:24, 31 January 2016 (UTC) (UTC)

Although my name is shown as writer, the above paragraph (which incorrectly paraphrases my entry under "Background" on the Buck Page Wikipedia site)was not authored by me, nor do I know the identity of the person(s) submitting it under my name.
There is no mention in my book, "No One to Cry To," of Village Barn (see below), nor would there be any reason to do so.
63.215.26.152 (talk) 22:20, 21 November 2010 (UTC)Sharon Lee Willing63.215.26.152 (talk) 22:20, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

   The IP reasonably said "the above paragraph" (and reasonably meant "immediately above"), but i have moved her contrib as an IP below that point, and the 'graph she meant is best identified as the one, within this section now titled "(Priority)", bearing the forged and now struck-thru "Sharonleewilling" sig.
--Jerzy•t 09:24, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

   I'm saddened if i sounded critical of the author and WP contributor SLW, by my bald statement of my search results. The integrity of sigs is hardly ever worth the checking i've now done in this case; in fact, i didn't expect to concern myself with this topic again and was surprised today to realize i'd edited the article or talk before. I believe i must have reached the limit of my interest and recorded the dead end of my casual research for whichever colleagues had a strong enuf interest to go beyond where my relevant motivation ran out. (Sometimes that's no one -- at least at all soon!)
--Jerzy•t 09:24, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

   In the face of SLW perhaps being justifiably disillusioned with the slow grinding of the WP mill, my interest has perked up a little; i assume i can find her "entry" (edit?) at Buck Page#Background and contribute to clarifying what was misquoted or misparaphrased, and report here in some fashion.
--Jerzy•t 09:24, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Riders of the Purple Sage Federal Trade Mark

It has been recognized by the Federal Government that the mark "Riders of the Purple Sage" is owned by Buck Page. Historical notes are found in public records with the Federal Government that a past employee/ member of Buck Page's "Riders of the Purple Sage" made formal ( but unsuccessful )attempts to file ownership for the mark "Riders of the Purple Sage" using the date established as 1936 confirming the history of Buck Page and the "Riders of the Purple Sage" est. 1936. Currently there are no legal bands called "Riders of the Purple Sage". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.194.238.126 (talk) 03:16, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

   The ownership of a TM can be noted in a WP article if we have reliable sources verifying it, but my failure to strike thru (as off-topic) the above not-only unsigned but also anonymous msg, written in a tone suggesting the delusion that the writer can force WP to shill for the estate of a guy who already croaked years before, shouldn't even be construed as an act of courtesy on my part.
--Jerzy•t 07:28, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, "croaked" shows that you're not a "shill", clown. 71.177.145.83 (talk) 21:15, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

PoV tag

   Various claims made in the article are part of an unencyclopedic squabble about property rights which by their nature are not verifiable -- except in the rare event that everyone with an interest in further contesting the matter is enjoined from filing further suits. There seems not even to be a claim that anyone has won a court case, and trademarks, registered or not, can be set aside under various conditions. They are also limited as to scope, e.g. there is no reason to believe that the use in contexts like films and books transgress any valid trademark for one or more bands; even if a particular band has a valid trademark, infringement is an opinion, not a fact. "In some circles it needs to be noted" is the carrying of a PA into the main namespace. "With Page on the East Coast and Dalton on the West coast it is clear that neither would have know of each others band" is an utterly unverifiable self-serving assertion.
    Needs to be slashed down to verifiable encyclopedic info, including dates and personnel of all notable bands contending for the name.
--Jerzy•t 07:17, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

(Technology trap)

Technology trap

In the main article, there is a claim that CDs were released in the early 1960's.

CD technology had not yet been invented.

What was released was undoubtedly ALBUMS, and likely released on vinyl 33&1/3 LPs.

98.210.102.208 (talk) 07:25, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

removing POV tag with no active discussion per Template:POV

I've removed an old neutrality tag from this page that appears to have no active discussion per the instructions at Template:POV:

This template is not meant to be a permanent resident on any article. Remove this template whenever:

1. There is consensus on the talkpage or the NPOV Noticeboard that the issue has been resolved
2. It is not clear what the neutrality issue is, and no satisfactory explanation has been given
3. In the absence of any discussion, or if the discussion has become dormant.

Since there's no evidence of ongoing discussion, I'm removing the tag for now. If discussion is continuing and I've failed to see it, however, please feel free to restore the template and continue to address the issues. Thanks to everybody working on this one! -- Khazar2 (talk) 14:31, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Toward a reorg

   Despite a couple of preliminary fixes i've just made, the article is still ill-conceived. The suffix "(band)" implies one article about one band, not an article talking about two to five bands that have shared a name. Much of the problem is that three streams, one doubtfully article-worth (no refs, not much more than an obit), and the other two each being made up of one dead band and another loosely connected one, trying to cash in on impressions that it carries on The Real Thing purveyed by a corresponding dead one, which may or not be the one your forebears raved about loving in The Good Old Days.
   But i'm not done with trying to split & rescue the worthwhile content into at least two (maybe four) stubs.
--Jerzy•t 07:12, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Purple Sage

Purple Sage is a powerful psychedelic drug with little or no euphoric properties. The band having formed long before the psychedelic era, it seems an odd name to choose. Is there any record of the band being associated with the drug?

MrDemeanour (talk) 14:15, 8 March 2022 (UTC)