Talk:Richie Ramone

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This page has been stubbed to include only referenced material. ALL additions to this article must be properly referenced, and should not include information about family members. If you have questions, please pose them on this page; an experienced editor will respond, although it may take a while. Risker (talk) 05:44, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Please do not wholesale restore the old content, such as was done here, by User:Belsen, who has been advised not to do that. In cases like this, the article should be carefully rebuilt, in stages, with each stage proposed, meticulously sourced, and discussed here on talk, rather than being wholesale restored. Thanks. ++Lar: t/c 14:58, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

It was mostly rewritten. I find it very strange my changes are undone. Belsen (talk) 15:43, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Quality of the reference sources is very important; they need to meet the highest standards in this case. The PBS reference would meet the standard, as would the film reference. Not meeting the standard, because we don't know who published it or their reputation for accuracy, would be the following; Graphik Designs, www.kauhajoki.fi, the Russian Ramones fansite, www.spiritus-temporis.com, nocds.com. That guts most of the article as it was previously drafted with respect to Richie Ramone's career with the band; that, of course, is his reason for notability and a balanced article has to focus on that. The New York Times and LA Weekly references mainly discuss what he has done since being the Ramones' drummer, and don't give enough contextual information to fill in the gaps. They also give undue weight to his legal issues.

It is possible to write a fully referenced, quality article on Richie Ramone; there are a lot of books published about the Ramones, and they are discussed in many books that discuss the entire punk scene of the 1970s and 1980s.[1] The information is out there and available, it just has to be brought together in one place.

Hope that helps to clarify things. I really am sorry that this has to be done. Risker (talk) 16:34, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree that, where it is possible, you should get the highest standard possible. But Wikipedia is one of the biggest online recourses. It's strange you can get the info of Wikipedia on other pages, but not on Wikipedia anymore. It think fully emptying such a page is hard. It's better to just correct the info, elseways it's very difficult to keep the Wikipedia up to date.

On the other hand, if I want to read on Richie Ramone (which I wanted, but the Wikipage was empty), I surely hope the info I get is quiet correct. Writing a new version of the article, I found out most info corresponds with each other, for what's that worth. Belsen (talk) 11:25, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Matty Ramone here. My apologies that I'm a new user, but I'm not changing stuff. Just suggesting that slow and accurate is best. Belson, I respect your fine intentions, but example--your changes on June 28 to the Subterranean Jungle page don't work. Richie Ramone was in those videos, but you credited Richie Ramone for playing Marky's and Billy Rogers drums in the videos. Mark played Psycho Therapy" and "Time Has Come Today" was played by the late Billy Rogers. Anyway, videos are usually the studio tracks. Again, I appreciate your hard work, but you changed it to say that Walter Lure is the "featured guitarist" on Subterranean Jungle. Walter is a fine guitarist, but this makes him sound like the band's guest star, instead of the studio lead guitarist that he was. There was only one "featured' Ramones guitarist -John Ramone. And Walter was their studio lead guitarist on most of the Ramones tracks, until "Halfway to Sanity" when producer Daniel Rey became the studio axman. The word "featured" about Subterranean Jungl makes it sound like it was unusual to have Walter, when it was the norm. These editors are following a well advised protocol that everyone should take the slow path to be absolutely accurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Matty Ramone (talk • contribs) 01:13, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Removed wrong information, that even included wrong basic information about songs, number of albums and shows played, unbalanced focus on the negative, and communication with other Ramones, based on wrong information in a book where the author was refuted by "End of the Century" But I didn't write the page, to obey these firmly stated guidleines here, that this page be worked out on this talk page first. A good rule, considering the legions of Ramones fans like me who have every detail down. Like, in your page, Subterranean Jungle. Richie Ramone doesn't play drums in the video. He plays a kitchen pot and spoon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Matty Ramone (talk • contribs) 23:46, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm sure it wsn't the intention but the wrong trivial information or mistakes slanted to misrepresent the artists' work and "professionalism" also had the undesired effect of putting Richie Ramone in a false light, and it wasn't sourced. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Matty Ramone (talk • contribs) 01:18, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

You are sure it wasn't "intentional"? How so? The user knows nothing about The Ramones, never put a page about a Ramone, here, insists on posting again as another user and puts Richie Ramone in a false light, repeatedly. Seems like the same no-nothing who invaded our Ramones News Group to defame him saying that Richie Ramone was the "singer" in the Ramones. We kick No-Nothing out. Now someone is violating WP BLP and ignoring the administration rules but it's not "intentional"?? I respect you as a Ramones fan to another, Matty Ramone, but it seems quite nasty and intentional. Furious Ramone (talk) 06:04, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Palluxo.com is not a verifiable source. Unsourced Content, or poorly sourced content from websites and blogs posted here repeatedly violates terms for Wikipedia Biography Of Living Persons. Why does this continue to be a problem and why is "Media Lawyer" still posting unsorced content after repeated warnings to all from Wiki administrators? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Matty Ramone (talk • contribs) 17:41, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

I requested that this biography be put back on BLP Watch. I'm sure we all agree as long as the same violations turn up again despite warnings.

User:MediaLawyer has been blocked for the repeated insertion of improperly sourced and unbalanced material here. It is notable that this edit was made just as the BLPWatch was set to expire; this tells me that, without blocking, it is likely the account will repeat its actions. Hence, the block. Risker (talk) 01:15, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that Richie wrote most of this article himself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.118.153.16 (talk) 18:46, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Birth place

Richie Ramone wasn't born in Queens, New York. Richie was born in Passaic, New Jersey. -- 10:24, 19 June 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by MarieW521 (talk • contribs)

10:28, 19 June 2009 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by MarieW521 (talk • contribs)  

Richie is included on the list of August 11 birthdays, but his bio page has a birth date of September 17. Which is it? Lentil1006 (talk) 16:31, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Only drummer...

Okay the lede says "He was the only Ramones drummer to be credited as the sole composer and writer of 6 Ramones songs." The reference is a hardcopy book. Is this supposed to mean only he wrote 6 songs (i.e. the others wrote less than 6)? Obviously Tommy wrote some songs so I gather the intention isn't to say he's the only Ramones drummer to write a song or is the composer AND writer the key part? Did Tommy not write the music to say "I Wanna Be Your Boyfriend"? I just find it a bit unclear as it reads. Tigerman2005 (talk) 00:36, 23 June 2016 (UTC)