Talk:Richard Nixon/GA2

GA Review

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Wow this GAN template crap is becoming more and more layered with complexity. But I'm looking at the article. Will probably finish today. Cheers Ling.Nut ^{(talk—WP:3IAR)} 01:50, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Notes and Refs

Please fix "Foner, Eric (2004),[page # needed]"
Two instances of "Hetzel, Robert L. (2008), p. 91". Please make it a named ref.
Is there a reason why "Butrica, Andrew J. (1998)" isn't in the ref section?
What's this: "By Oelsner, Leslie. (October 3, 1974)"?
Is there a reason why "Dean, John (1976)" isn't in the refs?
"Hove, Duane T. (2003) and Kirkpatrick, Rob (2009)" are listed in the ref section but I find no notes citing. This is not nearly as bad a problem as the other way around (in notes but not in refs), but you may consider rmv'ing.
Is there a reason why "Krugman, Paul (2007)" isn't in the refs?
Not in refs: "Stans, Maurice H. (1978)"
Steel "The World: New Chapter, Old Debate" no mention of NYT in note.
What is this: "The Sixties (1994)"?
Not in refs "Woodward, Bob and Carl Bernstein (1976 (reprint 2006))." Also, what formatting style is that? Is that from a template?
The "Commanding Heights" ref is a PBS site. The note needs considerably more info, I think.
More coming soon Ling.Nut ^{(talk&mdashWP:3IAR)} 02:27, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think I see five {{Page needed}} and two {{Fact}} templates. These must be fixed, or explained then rmvd. Ling.Nut ^{(talk—WP:3IAR)} 02:35, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Images—I'm not a guru, but some of these are giving me pause. Suggest consulting someone more knowledgeable. Some probs I see:

What's the source for: File:Infant Nixon.jpg
File:NixonPiano,1962.jpg is NOT public domain; it is a Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 3.0 United States License. I don't know whether that's an acceptable license; will check.
Barring the existence of conflicting licensing info, File:NIXONcampaigns.jpg is NOT public domain. I found this note here: "All Ollie Atkins photographs and images copyright George Mason University Libraries."
Can I get a source on File:Apollo 11 crew in quarantine.jpg?
The link to the source of File:Richard Nixon 09 Jul 1972.png is broken, and I cannot find his image at nixon.archives.gov (though I found a crop of the head). I found the image at http://www.ssa.gov/history/Nixon72.html, but please review all licensing info etc.
File:Nixon Farewell.jpg the link to the permissions ( http://www.fordlibrarymuseum.gov/privacy.htm ) is broken, and I can't find this image at fordlibrarymuseum.gov.
Barring the existence of conflicting licensing info, File:NIXONSandFORDS.jpg is NOT public domain. I found this note here: "All Ollie Atkins photographs and images copyright George Mason University Libraries."
Source info of File:Nixon-depart.png needs to be updated to http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/american_originals/nixon.html.
I do not see any reason to include Image:Rn37.gif. Please consider rmv'ing.
File:Pres38-42.jpg was originally uploaded as PD, now is Fair Use, plus the link to the source at http://www.nixonlibraryfoundation.org/Nixons/rnfuneral.shtml is now broken. Strongly suggest looking into licensing issues.
More later Ling.Nut ^{(talk—WP:3IAR)} 04:36, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The "Supreme Court appointments" section is merely a list.
There are two (yes two) templates on the page listing Nixon's cabinet. Making templates is fun, as I know well, but do we need both? The larger (more complete) one is non-collapsible and is IMO an eyesore in the middle of the article. The smaller collapsible one at the bottom of the page is less distracting. Consider rmv'ing the larger template.
Fail GA

Image issues alone are enough.
I'm not at all happy with the WP:LEDE and would be happy go over it in detail later.
Also need to do something about that listy section.

Final Comments—I have to leave my hotel to catch a plane soon, so I'm just gonna take a swipe at some rather large issues:

FAC—expect at least three trips through the furnace of FAC before any hope of FA. Two reasons: Nixon is a political hot potato, and there will be extensive screams of POV from both camps. Moreover, the writing of this article needs major polishing.
Please send through Peer Review as soon as you have fixed all the issues above. The writing really does need polishing. Perhaps I can help more with this later.

Ling.Nut ^{(talk—WP:3IAR)} 05:34, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

While I did not nominate this article, I thought that I would make some comments. I generally agree with the decision of Ling.Nut to fail the article, because I too don't feel that it is ready for GA quite yet. Though Ling.Nut is a fabulous editor whom I have worked well with in the past, I do have some minor grievances with some of his comments regarding photos. The second photo by Ollie Atkins of President Nixon and Pat Nixon with the Fords is indeed in the public domain. Atkins was the chief White House photographer during the Nixon years, just as Eric Draper is today. Photos of Richard Nixon, Pat Nixon, business within the White House, etc. that were taken by any of the White House photo office staff are owned by the White House and therefore automatically in the public domain. The copyright notice you referenced here probably means that a number of White House photos taken by Atkins have been transferred to George Mason University and made available digitally, thus Mason has control over them online. But pictures of the Nixons taken between 1969 and 1974 by Ollie Atkins are PD photos. Happyme22 (talk) 20:09, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, first, you'll notice my "Barring the existence..." disclaimer. Second, it needs to be conclusively shown that these are PD. This may involve finding other sources that are more clearly PD... You may feel that "these are PD" is an obvious conclusion, but the obvious must be demonstrated. Thanks for the comments. Ling.Nut ^{(talk—WP:3IAR)} 20:48, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]