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Since the Spectator article concerning the 1957 socialist conference in Italy was mentioned, it's perhaps worth pointing out the late John Junor's observation in the Sunday Express that the Spectator journalist who made the observation referred to had her career ruined as a consequence even though she turned out to be right. Meltingpot (talk) 10:03, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is difficult to mention these facts without giving the name of the journalist,

which she seems to be reluctant to mention. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.160.202.155 (talk) 12:51, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Accoreding to this article, she was called Jenny Nicholson; https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/dominic-lawson/dominic-lawson-the-delusions-and-smears-that-make-some-voters-ashamed-to-admit-they-are-tories-394293.html Meltingpot (talk) 11:06, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Libel Case against The Spectator

As of January 2015, all mention of the libel case had been removed from the article. I think it is definitely too important to be omitted. I've put a short summary in. Incidentally, I've also traced the name of the journalist referred to above, and included it in the relevant footnote. Having gone back over the article's history, I see that discussion of the case was dropped not long ago for being unsourced. I have provided three sources. It is evident that Crossman's own diaries are one of the key primary sources, but this would appear to be the backbench diaries, to which I do not currently have access, rather than the more famous Diaries of a Cabinet Minister. I'll try to get my hands on the backbench diaries and will then aim to cite them directly. Nandt1 (talk) 11:47, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Birth location

I see two alternative locations are given for Crossman's birth - Cropredy, Oxfordshire or Bayswater, London. I thought I would check Birth records to see which was right and found (unhappily) that the only Richard H S Crossman born in 1907 was born in Epping, Essex. He is also on the 1911 Census living in Buckhurst Hill which is in the Epping Forest area. It's a primary source, but they are acceptable in such circumstances. Sam Blacketer (talk) 22:38, 1 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No, they are not acceptable. In part because transcription errors are quite common. - Sitush (talk) 00:58, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have obtained the certificate . If you read the previous citation [to Howard] he actually states the parents moved to Buckhurst Hill shortly BEFORE RHSC's birth, so the previous citation was based on an error anyhow. Buckhurst Hill was in the Epping registration district 2A00:23C5:E397:1501:794A:8356:D32E:BE14 (talk) 17:13, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Homosexuality

"He had numerous homosexual affairs at university." I removed "numerous" because it is entirely unsupported by the cited article, which refers in passing to "two ministers who ... enjoyed homosexual adventures as Oxford undergraduates", but in such a way as to only mention one on the part of Roy Jenkins and one on the part of Crossman. Harfarhs (talk) 19:59, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Either way, the entire mention of "homosexual affairs at university" is inappropriate. Who cares except homophobes? Should be deleted. 68.196.1.236 (talk) 03:41, 29 December 2020 (UTC)captcrisis[reply]

With an important politician who creates a front with 3 wives, I don't think it's sing to mention how sexuality. Here, it's even known from his own writings. Ds77 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 18:16, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Family

Curious that there is mention of his "third wife" in the "Death" section but no mention anywhere of the first two. Nor any mention of his children at all! I'm not adding it, since I know one of them personally, but it would be useful if someone did. If you have access to the ODNB article, it is linked here for assistance: https://www.oxforddnb.com/view/10.1093/ref:odnb/9780198614128.001.0001/odnb-9780198614128-e-30987 Thanks to any kind editor out there! --gobears87 (talk) 22:22, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

He was married to Erika Gluck, an older German divorcee, from 1932 to 1934, though they were only actually together for six months. He was then married to Inezita 'Zita' Baker, another older divorcee, the ex-wife of an Oxford colleague, from 1937 to 1952, when she died. She is sometimes credited with getting him interested in politics. They were apparently apart for much of the time. He then married Anne McDougall and they had a son and a daughter and remained together (though he didn't spend much time at home) till his death. https://warwick.ac.uk/services/library/mrc/archives_online/digital/crossman/urss/bio/ Khamba Tendal (talk) 22:42, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Khamba Tendal - do you want to revise the article itself? It should be updated I think. --gobears87 (talk) 16:20, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Personal Life

Should include his third wife, but I don't have a source other than this lemma. Ds77 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 18:13, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]