Talk:Rhineland-Palatinate

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There's no district Ludwigshafen anymore. It's now called Rhein-Pfalz-Kreis. Stesch 2004-09-07

District map identification

(***Map updated 2005-12-09***)
I've tried to work out which of the 12 unnumbered areas on the map are which of the 12 listed cities. I can't do it. The positions disagree with the maps I'm using. Is this map wrong or ... -- SGBailey 23:27, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Image changed above to a temporary and wrong image to aid discussion. I'm happy with: Kaiserslautern, Koblenz, Mainz, Zweibrücken, Pirmasens, Trier. I'm unhappy with the rest: Frankenthal, Landau, Ludwigshafen, Neustadt, Speyer, Worms. Help anyone? -- SGBailey 14:50, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It's right except for the following: The little unmarked spot NW of Landau is an exclave of that city. Frankenthal is not shown at all in the map; it is immediately north of Ludwigshafen. --Chl 18:41, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Image now edited as described by Ch1. Image in this page now changed to that edited image and the discussion image listed for deletion. -- SGBailey 22:44, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wouldn't it be better to merge the page List_of_places_in_Rhineland-Palatinate into this page? User:yasirniazkhan 15:05 01-June-2006 (UTC)

Yeah it should be easier just to merge them together.Corpus1 (talk) 01:32, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

administrative history

Is there a page which I cannot find, or can a section be added here, which will detail the history of the various 'top level' governments of the area? By this I mean, before there was aunified Germany, there were numerous administrative controllers, from Napoleon to the Holy Roman Empire, at times in the 30 years' war the French controlled it, and so on. ThuranX 03:26, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As the land did not exist before 1946, you can't provide the requested info in one article. You will have to look at the different regions or towns of RP. --Symposiarch 17:35, 11 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

2006 Election

The results of the 2006 state election presented here, are different from those shown in the article devoted to this specific subject (http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Rhineland-Palatinate_state_election,_2006).

201.239.126.11 (talk) 20:46, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

unsourced content about parks

moved here per WP:PRESERVE

Culture
Parks

In 1856, the later German empress, Augusta, had the Rheinanlagen in Koblenz laid out as a park. She was also a patroness of the Catholic priest, Kraus, and supported his efforts to create a Biblical landscape, today known as the Pfarrer-Kraus-Anlagen.

In 1992 a new and popular type of leisure facility was designed, the barefoot park at Bad Sobernheim. This was subsequently copied at many places in the German-speaking world.

The following nature, leisure and wildlife parks are found in the state of Rhineland-Palatinate:

Vulkanland Eifel Geopark
Worms Wildlife Park
Kaiserslautern Zoo
Landau Zoo
Neuwied Zoo
Eifelpark in Gondorf
Holiday Park in Haßloch
Kurpfalz Park in Wachenheim
Klotten Wildlife and Amusement Park in Klotten
Südliche Weinstraße Wildlife Park in Silz
Hunsrück Deer Conservation Park in Rheinböllen
Wildenburg Wildlife Park near Kempfeld
Eifel Zoo near Lünebach, near Prüm
Daun Wildlife Park on the German Wildlife Route

-- Jytdog (talk) 09:37, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

unsourced Geography section

Also moved here per PRESERVE:

Geography

Located in western Germany, the Rhineland-Palatinate borders (from the north and clockwise) the German states North Rhine-Westphalia, Hesse, and Baden-Württemberg. It shares an international border with France (Grand Est), followed by the German state of Saarland, and international borders with Luxembourg (Diekirch and Grevenmacher Districts) and Belgium (Wallonia).

The largest river in the state is the Rhine, which forms the border with Baden-Württemberg and Hesse in the southeast before flowing through the northern part of Rhineland-Palatinate. The Rhine Valley is bounded by mountain chains and it contains several of the historically significant places in Germany.

The Eifel and Hunsrück mountain chains are found on the west bank of the Rhine in northern Rhineland-Palatinate, while the Westerwald and Taunus mountains are found on the east bank. The hilly lands in the southernmost region of the state are covered by the Palatinate forest and the Palatinate. These mountain chains are separated from each other by several tributaries of the Rhine: the Mosel, the Lahn, and the Nahe.

The modern state consists of a conglomeration of the historic regions of southern Rhine Province, Rheinhessen, and the Palatinate.

Administration

Rhineland-Palatinate is divided into 36 districts (24 rural and 12 urban), formerly grouped into three administrative regions: Koblenz, Trier and Rheinhessen-Pfalz.

Since 2000, the employees and assets of the former administrative regions have been organized into the Aufsichts- und Dienstleistungsdirektion Trier (Supervisory and Service Directorate Trier) and the Struktur- und Genehmigungsdirektionen (Structural and Approval Directorates) Nord in Koblenz and Süd in Neustadt (Weinstraße). These administrations execute their authority over the whole state, for example, the ADD Trier oversees all schools.

Map of the districts of Rhineland-Palatinate.

The rural districts:

Every rural district is composed of a number of municipalities. Each municipality can consist of cities, villages, or groups of villages, the latter kind of municipality known as a Verbandsgemeinde. The 12 urban districts, identified on the map with letters, are:

Frankenthal (F)
Kaiserslautern (Ka)
Koblenz Coblenz (Ko)
Landau (La, the main city and an exclave)
Ludwigshafen (Rheinpfalz-Kreis) (L)
Mainz (M)
Neustadt (Weinstraße) (N)
Pirmasens (P)
Speyer Spires (S)
Trier (T)
Worms (W)
Zweibrücken (Z)

-- Jytdog (talk) 09:38, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

unsourced emigration section

moved here per WP:PRESERVE

Emigration

Rhineland-Palatinate has supplied immigrants to many parts of the world. The names of the villages of New Paltz, Palatine Bridge and German Flatts, New York, and Palatine, Illinois, attest to settlements of Palatine Germans. The Hunsrückischen dialect in Brazil also bears testimony to an immigrant community.

The Pennsylvania Dutch spoken by the Amish in the United States is (among other dialects) derived from the German dialect spoken in the Rhineland-Palatinate, which many Palatine refugees brought to the colony in the early decades of the 18th century. The only existing Pennsylvania German newspaper, Hiwwe wie Driwwe, is published bi-annually in the village Ober-Olm, which is located close to Mainz, the state capital. In the same village, one can find the headquarters of the German-Pennsylvanian Association.

Certain colonies in the United States were settled by major groups of poor Palatines—then refugees in England—passage paid for by Queen Anne to reduce the number of impoverished families who had taken refuge in London. In 1710 the English used ten ships to transport nearly 3,000 Germans to the colony of New York. Many died en route, as they had been weakened by disease. They were settled in work camps along the Hudson River, where they developed naval stores for the English to work off their passage. Churches set up in both the East and West Camps provided some of the earliest population records in New York. In 1723 the first hundred heads of families were allowed to acquire land west of Little Falls, New York, along the Mohawk River, in what was called the Burnetsfield Patent after the governor. This became Herkimer County. The Germans and their descendants were important in the defense of the Mohawk Valley during the American Revolutionary War.

New Bern is one of the earliest North Carolina colonies settled in 1710 by about 400 Palatines (650 left Germany, but about half died in passage) and 100 Swiss. This venture was orchestrated by the Swiss-born Christoph von Graffenried after purchasing more than 19,000 acres (7,700 ha) from the British Proprietors of the Carolinas.

In the 19th century, there was a substantial number of emigrants from the area around Trier, many of whom settled in Wisconsin.

-- Jytdog (talk) 09:39, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

unsourced politics

moved here per PRESERVE

Politics

State elections

Elections for the Rhineland-Palatinate Landtag are held every five years, with residents over age 18 eligible to vote. This regional parliament or legislature then elects the premier and confirms the cabinet members. Rhineland-Palatinate is the only German state to have a cabinet minister for winegrowing (Ministry of Economy, Traffic, Agriculture and Winegrowing)

Latest state election

-- Jytdog (talk) 09:40, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Removed unsourced content

While I appreciate that statements need to be backed by sources, I feel that the wholesale removal of credible but unsourced content to the talk page is unconstructive. Surely, it would be better to improve the article by adding appropriate sources. I see no reason why the content needs to be removed while that process is ongoing.

Could we please re-instate the removed content with refimprove tagboxes so that knowledgeable editors are alerted to the fact that there is work to do. Meanwhile, users coming to this page would at least find some information about the state rather than little more than some of its agricultural output.

I should add that I've had no involvement in writing this article, but I'm happy to help finding sources once the unconstructive removal has been remedied.

Cedris (talk) 17:02, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Leaving this mass of unsourced content in the article is dangerous. When people came to the former version they didn't find "information" they found noise. People add false content to WP everyday - out of malice or stupidity or whatever - but they do it. If you find huge masses of unsourced content you have way of knowing if any part (or all) of it is correct or not. Our mission is to provide the public with articles that summarize accepted knowledge (per the policy WP:NOTEVERYTHING). The mission is not to provide the public with "a bunch of words that may or may not reflect reliable sources"

On the narrower issue, moving the words here is valid, per WP:PRESERVE. Anybody is free to restore, but the WP:BURDEN is on them to provide reliable sources and to ensure that the content actually is supported. Jytdog (talk) 21:37, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The content needs referencing, but it isn't per se suspect. For example, a glance at any map confirms the adjacent regions listed. Wikipedia wouldn't be what it is now if it had excluded in the past any content that is a bit rough around the edges. You clearly care about the quality of this article, so please improve it rather than mutilating it. As I said, happy to help if you make a start.

The preserve guideline is a distraction: The content is gone as far as encyclopedia users are concerned, and other editors won't notice that work is needed either unless they happen to stumble upon the page. The result of your move is akin to vandalism, even though I'm sure that's not what you're intending.

Cedris (talk) 12:05, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

if you want to restore the content, you can, but you must supply sources per WP:BURDEN. Jytdog (talk) 20:45, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You do it yourself if you care about the content. Or do you rather fancy wrecking another few articles just because they could be improved? Baffled...

Cedris (talk) 22:19, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I find it baffling that you care so much about this content that you take time out of your day to write here but don't care enough to (gasp) do some work and find sources and restore what is useful in the mass of unsourced content above. Jytdog (talk) 00:08, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This is a very irritating way of handling article issues, simply removing major parts of the article. I am myself a great advocate of good sourcing, but IMO, this line of action borders on vandalism.

For instance, the list of parks: A great number of those have blue links, indicating they have a Wikipedia article of their own. If the articles linked to are well sourced, what is the point in removing the link here?

Do you seriously expect the line Vulkanland Eifel Geopark to be referenced with "Karl-Heinz Schumacher und Wilhelm Meyer: Geopark Vulkanland Eifel. Lava-Dome und Lavakeller in Mendig. Redaktion: Karl Peter Wiemer. Rheinischer Verein für Denkmalpflege und Landschaftsschutz, Cologne, 2006 (=Rheinische Landschaften, Heft 57); Werner d´Hein: Nationaler Geopark Vulkanland Eifel. Ein Natur- und Kulturführer. Gaasterland-Verlag, Düsseldorf, 2006, ISBN 3-935873-15-8" here? You must be kidding. This article would cease to be legible.

Why can't you just tag (or remove, if you really need to) the ones that appear really doubtful? I am sorry to say this, but this looks very much like WP:POINT to me. --93.212.229.181 (talk) 21:25, 2 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This is a completely valid way to deal with unsourced content. Please see WP:PRESERVE. Jytdog (talk) 21:45, 2 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Why don't you reply to my question about the links to well sourced articles? --93.212.229.181 (talk) 22:07, 2 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry - you appear to be trying to use a WL to substitute for a citation. First, a wikilink is not a citation, and second, a wikipedia article is not a reliable source (see WP:CIRCULAR). Jytdog (talk) 04:55, 3 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"and second, a wikipedia article is not a reliable source ..." This made me laugh. You seddit, brutha :D — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.231.75.71 (talk) 11:04, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

new content from de-WP

This is almost as bad as the article before I cleaned it out, in terms of the lack of sourcing. I suspect that the original page was also copied from de-WP. I will wait a few days, but I will again remove the large swaths of unsourced content in a while...Jytdog (talk) 13:40, 18 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]