Talk:Religion in Serbia/Archive 1
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Very biased article (of course)...
You can tell this was written to promote a Serbian agenda. First of all, Šokci and Bunjevci are Croats. Separating them into different groups has been Serbia's way of trying to diminish and de-Croatify parts of their country that used to have large numbers of Croats. I am Šokci and have never met another who isn't a Croat first. Second, Ivo Andrić was Bosnian Croat (verified with a source on his Wiki page). He lived in Serbia, but was not Serbian. Saying that Andrić was the most famous "Serbian Catholic" would be like a saying that Nikola Tesla was the most famous "Croatian Orthodox". He was Croatian by geography, but it is generally accepted that he was born with Serbian ethnicity. Same goes with Andrić but vice versa.--207.236.177.82 (talk) 21:59, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
- You're welcome to improve the article, with reliable sources of course. ClaretAsh 09:29, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
Secularism
The article and statistics list no info or data on secularism, atheists, agnostics or irreligion. For a country that spent 60 years under communism, I find it very hard to believe that every single person in Serbia is religious. This issue must be addressed. Buttons (talk) 05:35, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
- Done!!! However, there have been numerous reports that enumerators were instructed to write down 'Orthodox' to all 'Serbs'. Because some people insisted on being declared as 'atheists', they really were written down as so or, compromisely, as 'undeclared'. That means there could be much more percent to 'irreligion' (and less to 'undeclared'). It is also about Serbian people's understanding of what 'religiosity' means. If you know Serbian, please read this: [1]. 109.93.89.159 (talk) 16:18, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
- That is not true. I worked for statistical office in the time of 2002 census and there was fully empty line on census papers that we had to fill with exact word that people declared or to left it blank. PANONIAN 18:04, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
- That's exacly why I said 'there have been numerous reports' (even on TV). I tried explaining those reports (not the real situation (which is disputed)) in my next sentence, after which I wrote down the conclusion - there could be much more percent to 'irreligion' (and less to 'undeclared'). OK, I maybe overdid it with the word 'much'. In conclusion, I didn't mean to promote any 'irreligion agenda' or whatever (saying there are more atheists and they were discriminated against on census; if you though that), but wrote that to user who was obviously intimidated by the fact that irreligion was neglected. Peace, and always assume good faith!!! Btw, sorry for making a confusion!!! 109.93.89.159 (talk) 18:35, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
- What I meant is that people that worked for statistical office in the time of census were not "instructed to forge census results". If some individuals that worked for statistical office forged some census results then that was their purely personal action (and they would be sanctioned if authorities caught them). Second thing is irreligion. For example, I am not religious, but I declared myself as Orthodox Christian in census. It is not because I do not know what religion is, but I had personal reason to do that. So, maybe you are correct that there are more irreligious people in Serbia, but I would want that statistics counts me as Orthodox Christian and I believe that most of the people who declared themselves as Orthodox Christians would want the same. PANONIAN 19:45, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
- Also to explain you difference between "irreligion" and "undeclared" category in census: "irreligion" covers all people who declared themselves as such (atheist, agnostic), while "undeclared" covers everybody who left the empty line in census paper. So, yes, there could be much irreligious people in "undeclared" category, but there could be also much religious people in that category as well. PANONIAN 19:53, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
- What I meant is that people that worked for statistical office in the time of census were not "instructed to forge census results". If some individuals that worked for statistical office forged some census results then that was their purely personal action (and they would be sanctioned if authorities caught them). Second thing is irreligion. For example, I am not religious, but I declared myself as Orthodox Christian in census. It is not because I do not know what religion is, but I had personal reason to do that. So, maybe you are correct that there are more irreligious people in Serbia, but I would want that statistics counts me as Orthodox Christian and I believe that most of the people who declared themselves as Orthodox Christians would want the same. PANONIAN 19:45, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
Off-topic chat
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Well Buttons, we may have been under communism but still everyone had a right to follow their own religion, the Churches worked freely and Christians weren't persecuted like in some other communist countries. The communism in Yugoslavia was a role model of the proper communist government. So there's nothing "hard to believe" in Yugoslavia you could've gone to the Com Party meeting, and after that visit the Church. 93.87.123.173 (talk) 12:25, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
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Religious freedom in socialist Yugoslavia
I only come to leave evidence of the schism within the Serbian Orthodox Church during the reign of the communist Josip Tito, here I leave the Wikipedia article about it: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionisije_Milivojevi%C4%87#Schism_with_the_SOC_and_death Armando AZ (talk) 22:40, 18 January 2022 (UTC)