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A fact from Ravenshoe (novel) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 11 January 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Ravenshoe has been noted for its passages dealing with the Charge of the Light Brigade, a failed military action during the Crimean War?

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The result was: promoted by Aoidh (talk) 16:42, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Frontispiece to an 1894 edition of Ravenshoe depicting the Charge of the Light Brigade

... that the 1862 Henry Kingsley novel Ravenshoe, noted for its intricate plot, includes an "animated description" of the Charge of the Light Brigade? Source: https://www-oxfordreference-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/view/10.1093/acref/9780192806871.001.0001/acref-9780192806871-e-6320
ALT1 ... that the plot of Henry Kingsley's 1862 novel Ravenshoe has been called "remarkable for its complexity"? Source: https://www.bartleby.com/library/readersdigest/1633.html
ALT2 ... that the 1862 Henry Kingsley novel Ravenshoe has been noted for its passages dealing with the famous Charge of the Light Brigade? Source: (1) https://archive.org/details/victoriannoveli02benjgoog/page/n284/mode/2up (2) https://www-oxfordreference-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/view/10.1093/acref/9780192806871.001.0001/acref-9780192806871-e-6320
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Created by Ficaia (talk). Self-nominated at 08:38, 23 October 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Comment: In the article, I see almost only plot, and more narrated than in encyclopedic language. For a book, I'd want background (written when where why), and more specific reception. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:47, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Ficaia: I think Gerda's suggestion is important. Onegreatjoke (talk) 17:03, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The nominator has been editing. Marking for closure. SL93 (talk) 01:03, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The nominator is relatively new to DYK with only two credits. The nominator also has no courtesy notification posted on their talk page. The nomination should be kept open, and good faith be assumed here. Flibirigit (talk) 18:10, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've extended the reception section with commentary specifically on the passages relating to the Charge of the Light Brigade, which is the focus of the hook. 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 04:11, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ready for a full review. Flibirigit (talk) 02:25, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

Adequate sourcing:
Neutral:
Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - n

Hook eligibility:

Cited:
Interesting: - Should propose another.

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: @Ficaia: Good article. Earwig though, detects the entire plot section to be a copyvio and I would like for you to explain that. However, I feel as if you should propose another hook. Your hook is good but I'm not sure if it would pass so another should be proposed just to be safe. Also the image needs caption text. Onegreatjoke (talk) 20:08, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Onegreatjoke: The plot is taken from this public domain source. It's attributed in the article. I've added an alternate hook, but I think the first one is much better. Why do you think it might not pass? 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 20:49, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Ficaia: Assuming it's public domain i'll approve. About the hook, I personally just want to be safe with this nomination and increase the chance of it being promoted. Onegreatjoke (talk) 14:41, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Both quotes need to be attributed in the article. SL93 (talk) 03:35, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@SL93: The quotes are attributed. The first is from Birch and the second from Keller. 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 03:53, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ficaia "The source must be named in article text if the quotation is an opinion (see Wikipedia:Neutral point of view § Attributing and specifying biased statements). When attributing a quotation, avoid characterizing it in a biased manner." per WP:MOS under Quotations and then the attribution section. SL93 (talk) 03:59, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

SL93 Okay, I've removed the first quote and attributed the second quote to the author. 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 04:38, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. SL93 (talk) 05:00, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

theleekycauldron RoySmith I don't find either hook to be interesting, so I have kept passing by them. I know that theleekycauldron said on their talk page that this probably needs a better hook. I kind of want to close this nomination instead of finding a new hook with 141 currently approved nominations. SL93 (talk) 03:05, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well, reading the article, the most interesting thing I see is that they brought up their two sons in different religions, so I'd suggest something based on that:

ALT3: ... that in the 1862 novel Ravenshoe, the protagonists bring up one of their sons Catholic and the other Protestant?

I know it's not a DYK criteria, but man, is the article densely written. Maybe DYK has some slush fund of spare paragraph breaks and we could donate a few to the cause? -- RoySmith (talk) 03:31, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]