Talk:Raul

Redirect to Raúl González?

Why the heck should this page redirect to Raúl González? There are dozens of important people named Raul on Wikipedia (highly noted politic ians, racecar drivers, Hollywood actors, chess grandmasters, economists, musicians, et coetera). When I type such a common name on Wikipedia's address bar, I expect to be redirected to an article explaining the origins of that name (see Philip, Anne, Paco). Raul should be no exception. Missionary (talk) 04:22, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pretty sure that most people who type Raul, would like to get to Raul Gonzales. He is one of the greatest footballers of all time. He is a living legend, and one of the most famous footballers. People who want to real about other Raul's(!) could spend 2 seconds clicking them here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.91.137.156 (talk) 10:54, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree completely (with 88.91.137.156). It is hypersensitivity that has led to 'Raul' redirecting to this disambiguation page.

Another determinant of this could be people actually not knowing what to do. In this case it is important to look to other wiki sites (namely the Spanish one) to see how they treat this corresponding page. In Spanish wikipedia, 'Raul' directs to 'Raul Gonzalez Blanco' with a link at the top to a disambiguation page. However, one might argue that as the Portuguese wiki has 'Raul' redirect to a disambiguation page, this wiki should do the same. To acknowledge the immense notability of Raul Gonzalez Blanco, the Portuguese wiki even has his name at the top of the page, regarding of alphabetical order. This wikipedia, for no other reason than alphabetical order (which, I submit isn't the correct method to use here) places said footballer half-way down the list. This point is of no great relevance as it is the Spanish precedent we should be following, not the Portuguese, due to majority of people known as 'Raul' belonging to a Spanish speaking country.

I therefore submit that we redirect 'Raul' to 'Raul Gonzalez' or 'Raul Gonzalez Blanco'.

    -Depor23 (talk) 07:01, 24 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I stand by my previous assertion that a redirect to Raúl González makes no sense. The Spanish Wikipedia is wrong, in my opinion, to redirect to Raul González, but at least they have the excuse that the majority of people in that language version will indeed be looking for Raul González, because he is the most famous person named "Raul" in the Spanish-speaking world. However, in English, another important figure known as Raul is Raúl Castro, the President of Cuba. He is often referred to as Raul, even in the English-language press (perhaps because a reference to 'Castro' may be dubious). See: [1] [2] Still another person known simply as Raul is the Brazilian musician Raul Seixas. See: [3]. So there, at least two examples of important figures known as Raul. This is not as clear-cut a case as Xavi or Cruyff. Missionary (talk) 03:56, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I still contend that usage of the name Raul referring to this footballer is far more prevalent than anyone else. Even if you find that it is necessary that it should redirect to a disambiguation page, then Raul Gonzalez Blanco should at least be at the top with some of the other names removed. It looks just plain ridiculous. -Depor23 (talk) 22:42, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

List of people's names

Is it completely necessary to have a list of all those names on the page? Are all those people referred to as simply 'Raul' (or with the thingy above the 'u'?)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Depor23 (talk • contribs) 06:30, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It may not be strictly necessary, but it is the custom on Wikipedia. I've never seen someone refer to Ronald Reagan as 'Ronald', but go remove Reagan's name from the list at the article Ronald and see what happens. And, by the way, I know of at least two people often referred to as Raul, other than the Spanish footballer: the Brazilian rock musician Raul Seixas and the Cuban president Raúl Castro. See above. Missionary (talk) 03:56, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

But don't you agree that he should at least be up the top? Instead of being nestled in the middle. -Depor23 (talk) 22:43, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No, the names belong in alphabetical order. Order of importance is subjective...though if it could be argued that he is primarily known as "Raúl", you could put him at the top of the list, like this:

[[Raúl González|Raúl]] (Raúl González) Spanish footballer

where you're piping Raul to Raul Gonzalez. Not sure what the agreed convention is, but I noticed that Raul (along with Pepe and Kaka) are listed by their single name nicknames o the Real Madrid paeg. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 22:58, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's a joke, that's what it is. It's like anyone whose first name is Raul is put there. Definitely needs to be split up. -Depor23 (talk) 06:49, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Raul as descended from Ralph/Rudolph or Rahul?

Looking at the Raoul, Ralph, and Rudolph pages, it says that this male given name is descended from Old Norse/Anglo-Germanic for "wolf counsel" or "famous wolf," and so on. Raul here is listed as the Italian/Spanish/Portuguese version of this Anglo-Germanic name, but the tooltip box to the right lists that the meaning comes from the Hindu name Rahul. Surely the meaning should be referred to like those for Ralph etc.? e.g. on Ralph's page the meaning is "'Counsel wolf' or 'Famous wolf' (Rudolph)." I think it should be the same here if Raul is indeed descended from Ralph/Rudolph and not Rahul. It seems like a coincidence that Raul and Rahul are similar, right? MusicalMethuselah (talk) 18:50, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Presumptuous name nationality associations

Since when did "Raul" become an Italian name? I used to live in italy for 15 years & I've NEVER met an Italian resident or national or ethnicity with the name "Raul" I've never heard ANYONE associate that name with Italians, I only heard that among tourist people from Spain-Puerto Rico or Hispanics in the US or Univision news casts Telemundo Televisa etc. That would be like associating a Vietnamese name like "Nguyen" with Japanese, Koreans or Indians. 76.167.193.57 (talk) 21:39, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]