Talk:Raoul Wallenberg Award

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"17 times"

This 1989 NY Times article lists seven recipients not named in this article. THF (talk) 09:02, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Marcel Marceau Marcel Marceau was also awared this medal on the 30th April 2001, for countefeiting identity cards and reducing the persons age, for young jewish folk, to stop them being recruited for slave labour or being sent to concentrations camps, in the 1942-43 period in Germany. scope_creep (talk) 21:01, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Newer version

Rewritten then deleted again. I do not see the names of award winners as copyright infringement but a non-copyrightable fact. Either someone won, or did not win. Category:Award winners

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The version above was just deleted, but if restored has the same list with the quotes removed.

No one claimed that the list of name was copyright infringement, it was the copy of the explanations.--SPhilbrick T 23:14, 19 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You are saying using direct quotes in quotation marks attributed to the source is a copyright violation and you are also saying paraphrasing the reason for the award is also a violation. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 02:43, 21 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No. I'm saying the list of names, even if copied, is not treated as a copyright violation. The descriptions, however, even if put in quotes, are a copyright violation, as well as a violation of WP rules. Paraphrasing the reason for the award coupled with attribution does resolve the problem, IMO, but as I have already reported the article, I'd like someone else to make the call and remove the notice. --SPhilbrick T 15:06, 21 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Arthur Norton, at first glance over half of this article exists of copyrighted text. Even with proper attribution or indication that these are quotes, that's still excessive. Quotes of copyrighted text should be used very sparingly, not line after line. WP:NFCCEG gives a short explanation of this. Fram (talk) 15:21, 21 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You cannot copyright a fact. Either "Senpo Sugihara (1990) [was given the award] for rescuing Jews in Lithuania." or he was not. We can change the wording so that he rescued Hindus in Brazil, but that would be factually incorrect. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 18:04, 21 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't thhink that the opinion of the jury that the award is giving for e.g. "For unselfish humantitary help in East Africa, for giving so many children a future with hope and perspectives." can be considered a fact, nor that there is any need to copy their text. This example could easily be rewritten as "for humanitary work in East Africa" or something similar. I really think you need a crash course in what is and what isn't acceptable here, before you continue (re-)adding content. Please contact Moonriddengirl or Mer-C or any of the other main copyright specialists here to check this. Fram (talk) 07:56, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]