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I know a similar discussion has already been made. However, Weaver openly admitted to believing in the "separation of the races". Would this not qualify him as a White Separatist? He was nowhere near as extreme as others, but he still held similar views. Weaver also adhered to Christian Identity esque views, which tend to advocate white separatism. I am bringing this up because the "white separatist" label has been removed. Could someone explain this? 2601:CF:4500:ACF0:DCC6:6E4C:F1E0:6BD5 (talk) 22:17, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I noticed that this article makes some VERY contentious claims regarding the Weavers (such as Sammy allegedly having a poster that said "death to Jews", and that Vicki drew a Swastika on the calender date for Martin Luther King Jr.'s birthday. It also says the couple ranted about Jews and Blacks, which I cannot find any other sources for. I feel this article's credibility should be rexamined. 2601:CF:4500:ACF0:C88C:5FC2:7859:1BFF (talk) 17:31, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You can probably find that same information in Jess Walter's book, "Every Knee Shall Bow", which is probably the most comprehensive work that gives a fair presentation to both sides (if anything, it's probably more sympathetic to the Weaver's side - and still notes these very real things). ButlerBlog (talk) 19:42, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This seems highly unlikely. In that era, as is still the case, one has to be a rank of at least E-3 (Private first class); you enter as an E-1. In reality, very few E-3s are ever selected, and most selectees are E-4 or above. All personnel, in addition to Basic Combat Training, must have completed Advanced Individual Training (AIT) and U.S. Army Airborne School to be eligible to begin Special Forces training. Then there's the actual training itself, which takes well over a year. All in all, Weaver's short time in the Army could not possibly have contained all those requirements, just based on the calendar. But none of that is as relevant as his own DD-214, which did not mention Special Forces training - and it certainly would have, whether he graduated or washed out, if he had, in fact, received any. Fred Zepelin (talk) 20:02, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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96.28.162.54 (talk) 02:59, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
In this article's first sentence, Mr. Weaver is referred to as a "white separatist". The only citations are an Encyclopedia Brittanica article, which is not a valid source, and another article which doesn't satisfy any Socratic proof for this assertion. Either remove this slander against a man who can no longer defend himself, or justify it with proper citations.[reply]
A claim that using a term that Weaver used to describe himself is somehow "slander" is patent nonsense. Aside from the fact that the Brittanica source is more than adequate to meet the criteria of WP:RS, there are other sources that say the same thing - Jess Walter's book Every Knee Shall Bow is one of them, which, quoting myself from another ridiculous claim of bias on this TP, is "probably the most comprehensive work that gives a fair presentation to both sides (if anything, it's probably more sympathetic to the Weaver's side)". It's tiresome to have to constantly point out how sourcing works and why we don't need to resort to "Socratic proof" (because we don't do original research). There are dozens of credible sources that describe Weaver as a "white separatist" including Time, The New York Times, Weaver himself, Jess Walter (who directly interviewed Weaver for his book), and even Gerry Spence (Weaver's own attorney in his murder trial). Britannica as a tertiary source allows us to avoid refbombing the lead paragraph when we don't have to. Sorry for the rant, and maybe I'm guilty here of WP:NOTFORUM myself, but it's just tiresome to have to deal with such ridiculousness. Feel free to revert my comment as NOTFORUM, or feel free to leave it as a word of advice to others who would put in such a frivolous page protection request - either is fine by me. ButlerBlog (talk) 18:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not done:It is hard to imagine a MORE valid source than Britannica.PianoDan (talk) 17:18, 11 December 2024 (UTC)