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Reviewer: Zuggernaut (talk • message • contribs • count • logs • email) 06:40, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Will review this over the next few weeks. Zuggernaut (talk) 06:40, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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1. Well-written: Copyedit, MOS fixes and adherence to WP:COPYVIO are required before the article can pass criterion 1
1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.
  • Needs copyediting for grammar
  • The line starting with "Though Giridhar had acquired knowledge rare for children of his age," fails WP:COPYVIO
  • COPYVIO also applicable for "He has also visited Singapore, Mauritius and England where he delivered several discourses on Hindu religion."
  • The source "Aneja, Mukta; Eyeway Team (2005), "Shri Ram Bhadracharyaji – A Religious Head With A Vision", Abilities Redefined – Forty Life Stories Of Courage And Accomplishment, All India Confederation of the Blind, pp. 66–68, retrieved April 25, 2011" is cited about 17 or 18 times and all instances need to be examined for COPYVIO.
1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. Recommend a copy-edit for several issues, some of which are listed below:
  • Fixes to titles are required per WP:MOS (example: "Loss of Eyesight" should be Loss of eyesight)
  • Some Sanskrit words are italicized, some are not (an example: Payovrata)
  • Rambhadradas's should be changed to Rambhadradas'. Please fix other similar errors.
  • The acronym JRHU is neither linked nor expanded or explained.
  • Several tiny, one, two or three sentence sections can be merged.
  • Are latitude and longitude of Chitrakoot, Uttar Pradesh really required right in the middle of the article?
  • Section headings starting with a semicolon (example: "; Jagadguru Rambhadracharya Viklang Seva Sangh") should be fixed per WP:Mos#Section_headings
2. Verifiable with no original research: Newspapers, books, academic papers and the like should be used as sources instead of the Jagadguru's original recitiation videos, the university website and other websites which do not provide any information about their authors and editorial boards. Some links are defunct and should be replaced.
2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline. All major, non-obvious claims have references
2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). Fails WP:Sources in numerous instances, some of which are listed below:
2c. it contains no original research. Fails WP:OR in the following instances:
  • As a result, his numbering convention is the same as that followed by Philip Lutgendorf.[86]
  • I am unable to verify the equation of Shastri, Acharya, Vidyavaridhi and Vachaspati to bachelors, masters, doctoral and D.Litt degrees respectively. I am treating this as original research for now until adequate sources can be produced which state this explicitly.
  • Lakcing a cite, I am going to treat the line "Thereafter he was known as Jagadguru Ramanandacharya Swami Rambhadracharya." as WP:OR
3. Broad in its coverage: Passes both 3a and 3b
3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic. Covers the life of the guru from birth to present day with adequate emphasis on the relevant aspects
3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style). Does not diverge too much in to peripheral topics such as the Ramjanmabhoomi controversy
4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. No neutrality issues
5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute. No content disputes, move request was handled civilly
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio: Captions and images look alright
6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.
6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions. All captions look good.
7. Overall assessment. I will wait for a month, until October 7, 2011 to allow these issues to be addressed before making a pass/fail assessment. Good luck in getting the issues resolved. All points raised in the GA review have been addressed. The article now passes GA criterion.

The official website of guruji is maintained by Shri Tulsi Peeth Seva Nyas, and 3 people mainly maintains it, if anyone want I can give their names and ids, I will try to get better secondary sources soon. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 15:14, 6 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Edit Progress following GA Review

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Thanks Zuggernaut for your valuable GA review of the article. I will work over the following weeks to edit the article in accordance with your suggestions. The below table will help in monitoring the progress and response. Nmisra (talk) 13:11, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Attribute Reviewer Comments Actions Takes
1a.
  • Needs copyediting for grammar
  • The line starting with "Though Giridhar had acquired knowledge rare for children of his age," fails WP:COPYVIO
  • COPYVIO also applicable for "He has also visited Singapore, Mauritius and England where he delivered several discourses on Hindu religion."
  • The source "Aneja, Mukta; Eyeway Team (2005), "Shri Ram Bhadracharyaji – A Religious Head With A Vision", Abilities Redefined – Forty Life Stories Of Courage And Accomplishment, All India Confederation of the Blind, pp. 66–68, retrieved April 25, 2011" is cited about 17 or 18 times and all instances need to be examined for COPYVIO.
 Edits made
  • Have checked citations from Aneja 2005, and rephrased/reworded where the text was the same as in the reference.
  • Done with a first-cut copy-edit, Diannaa did a comprehensive copy-edit as well.
1b. Recommend a copy-edit for several issues, some of which are listed below:
  • Fixes to titles are required per WP:MOS (example: "Loss of Eyesight" should be Loss of eyesight)
  • Some Sanskrit words are italicized, some are not (an example: Payovrata)
  • Rambhadradas's should be changed to Rambhadradas'. Please fix other similar errors.
  • The acronym JRHU is neither linked nor expanded or explained.
  • Several tiny, one, two or three sentence sections can be merged.
  • Are latitude and longitude of Chitrakoot, Uttar Pradesh really required right in the middle of the article?
  • Section headings starting with a semicolon (example: "; Jagadguru Rambhadracharya Viklang Seva Sangh") should be fixed per WP:Mos#Section_headings
 Edits made
  • Section and sub-section titles fixed, words except the first one are capitalized only in case of proper nouns (Gita, Ramcharitmanas) and Sanskrit words (Diksha)
  • I have tried to make the italics consistent with MOS:Italics - proper nouns, major religious works, quotes in other scripts, words in Marriam-Webster dictionary (Sadhu, Mantra) are no longer italicized. I am unable to make out if all occurences of a word like Katha are to be italicized or only the first one. Anyway I have made my best effort to be consistent with the policy on this, please help in pointing out if I have missed any words or policy guidelines.
  • Tulsidas's -> Tulsidas' and Rambhadradas's -> Rambhadradas' change done.
  • JRHU acronym removed
  • Working on merging sentence
  • Latitude and longitude of Chitrakoot removed
  • Semicolons removed from section headings, but the copy-editor (Diannaa) put them back so I guess they are not an issue.
2b. Fails WP:Sources in numerous instances, some of which are listed below:
 Edits made include
  • The Guru's official website is no longer cited. It was cited at five places, where secondary sources had already been cited.
  • Singapore Katha recitation citation removed. AICB biography is cited there already.
  • JRHU website is no longer cited, citations have been replaced by secondary sources wherever required.
  • Totalbhakti citations have been removed, other secondary sources are already cited for the same.
  • jrhu.8m.net is no longer cited. The sentence has been commented out till a secondary source is found for the same.
  • jagadgururambhadracharya.org is no longer cited. One citation has been replaced by the Handbook of Universities. Tulsi Award 2011 and quotes from Sunil Kumar Pintoo and Nitish Kumar have been commented out till a secondary source is found.
  • Astrojyoti citations have been removed, Zee News and Webdunia Hindi are already cited for the same.
  • Kuber Music website URL has been removed from the CD citation.
  • [96]^ "अष्टावक्र पर सारगर्भित चर्चा [Compendious discussion on Aṣṭāvakra]" is no longer hosted on Rajasthan Patrika's website. The citation has been replaced by "वक्ताओं ने कही अपनी बात [Orators speak out their views]" on the Dainik Bhaskar website.
  • For the composition of Sribhargavaraghaviyam in sixth Payovrata, only Dinkar is now cited instead of both Rambhadracharya and Dinkar.

To the best of my information, Rambhadracharya himself is now cited only where required, e.g. for his original quotes, his speech at the UN, for listing his works after 2008 (works upto 2008 have been covered by Nagar 2002 and Dinkar 2008), and for his opinions on conventions used in the critical edition of RCM. These are not an issue IMHO since it is clearly stated in the article that they are his own quotes, opinions or works.

2c. Fails WP:OR in the following instances:
  • As a result, his numbering convention is the same as that followed by Philip Lutgendorf.[86]
  • I am unable to verify the equation of Shastri, Acharya, Vidyavaridhi and Vachaspati to bachelors, masters, doctoral and D.Litt degrees respectively. I am treating this as original research for now until adequate sources can be produced which state this explicitly.
  • Lakcing a cite, I am going to treat the line "Thereafter he was known as Jagadguru Ramanandacharya Swami Rambhadracharya." as WP:OR
 All three stated failures of WP:OR have been addressed
  • Lutgendorf statement has been removed, it was also not relevant to the topic.
  • Two books have been cited for the equivalence of the Sampurnanand Sanskrit University degrees Shastri, Acharya, Vidyavaridhi and Vachaspati to Bachelor of Arts, Master of Arts, PhD and D.Litt respectively. The former terms are used by other Sanskrit universities also, for example Rashtriya Sanskrit Sansthan.
  • The line "Thereafter he was known as Jagadguru Ramanandacharya Swami Rambhadracharya." has been supported by a citation from the book by Shanti Lal Nagar.
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