Talk:Queen of the Black Coast

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Magistrate scene in chapter one

The description of Conan's motives for getting on the ship "Argos" originally included the following passage:

"The captain is soon informed that Conan is fleeing the civil authorities of Argos due to a court dispute in which Conan refused to betray the whereabouts of a casual friend to a fascistic magistrate (although no actual political reference is hinted in Howard's story) and instead drew his sword and killed the magistrate - whereupon he had to swiftly flee. "

Which I leave here for the record and for anyone who disagrees.

I have altered it to remove the adjective "fascistic" and embedded link to the article "fascism", and the now unneeded qualifier in parentheses.

Rationale- I assess the adjective fascistic to represent author opinion. My own would be that the magistrate's remarks are too general and typical of any state society with a judicial system, plausible anywhere including the United States at any time in its history, to be considered 'fascistic'. Rather the scenario sketched out in the story represents Howard's own conception of distinctions between any settled society and its idea of its laws and obligations, and those of the 'barbarian' mindset Howard valued. In this case, Conan considers the magistrate's idea that he might have obligations to the law, state or society that require him to betray a friend to be "mad". The clash of moral values Howard is drawing here, one he returned to time and again in his work, is far more primal and fundamental than any distinction among the political ideologies of different settled societies. It is the distinction between the settled and the nomad, the "civilized" and the "barbarian", the kin/friend-based and law-based, the allegiance of personal connection and allegiance to authority, between the personal and the political. At that scale, fascism and liberal democracy are one. The character Conan disfavors government and law in general, especially at this stage of the character's biography, and that reflects Howard's own widely written-up "frontier" mindset.

As all that is widely supported in Howard and his earlier critics, I consider it valid. As presenting it here in the article could be considered original research, I leave it on the Talk page and just make the small edit above to the article itself. Cheers. Random noter (talk) 14:57, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Stay on Target

I am Letting those interested know I will be removing: “- all of which they discuss in between continuing their sexual romance which is alluded to by Howard as having sadomasochistic undertones.” Where does one get the idea that Conan and Bêlit...” Sexual Romance” alludes to "sadomasochism”? Source? or is this pure speculation on the editor’s part? Because if it is the latter it has no place in a Wiki article…Please go to a “Conan fan” forum for that or stay on target, the target being FACTS about this particular Conan story nothing more nothing less…

And for the record I will leave these up:

Previous: “Sailing up the poisonous waters of the river Zarkheba, Bêlit and Conan encounter ancient ruins in which is found a lost treasure, a winged monstrosity and skulking hyenas that were once men. Despite the bizarre murders of their crew and the various horrors lurking in the jungle, Bêlit and Conan still find time for a thorough theological discussion, comparing Conan's grim god Crom with Bêlit's more ambiguous Semite deities - all of which they discuss in between continuing their sexual romance which is alluded to by Howard as having sadomasochistic undertones. In a moment of passion, Bêlit promises that even death could not keep her from Conan's side, a promise which she must keep far sooner than she expects.”

Altered: Sailing up the poisonous waters of the river Zarkheba, Bêlit and Conan encounter ancient ruins in which is found a lost treasure, a winged monstrosity and skulking hyenas that were once men. Despite the bizarre murders of their crew and the various horrors lurking in the jungle, Bêlit and Conan still find time for a thorough theological discussion, comparing Conan's grim god Crom with Bêlit's more ambiguous Semite deities. In a moment of passion, Bêlit promises that even death could not keep her from Conan's side, a promise which she must keep far sooner than she expects. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.204.235.105 (talk) 18:06, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]