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Qene Amhara poetic forms, Amhara culture

@Thiqq: Hello in your stub article, it needs to come clearly forward the differentiation between written Qene which are in Geez and Amharic (fidal modified from Geez) and spoken Qene which in practice which is mostly in Amharic and hardly any in Geez, including the forms of wax and gold which are Amhara invention. I will be updating your article over the next fews days. As for your claim of disruptive edits i challenge that [[1]]. The extant is cited in Levine. Qene in Amharic occurs in poetry, daily conversations on page 9 Levine. In contrast rules and styles were uncited. Like i said i will be updating this article. Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 01:00, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Dawit S Gondaria: Hi, I of course agree that qene is composed most commonly in Amharic. However, it was originally in Ge'ez through the qene bet, which is why it is mentioned in the history section of the article. By all means, please do improve the article, but if your edits don't improve the article, they will be reverted, as they should be. Your addition of "extant" was disruptive because it was placed such that it was grammatically incorrect. Your use of "is said to have" instead of "allegedly" is fine I suppose, I just thought it best to avoid the exact wording that Levine used in his book. You had no reason to completely remove some of the information I added, not to mention an entire citation simply because it lacked a page number (which, again, is not strictly necessary for an encyclopedia citation). Thiqq (talk) 01:09, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Thiqq: I certainly can remove your citation if it doesn't include an page number to verify with, certainly if it's about claims, please do include page numbers. Extant written evidence is historically and factually important, you can have copyedited instead of reverted it. I will definitely improve this article, including attributing the poetic forms to Amhara culture like it done in scholarly sources. Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 01:14, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Thiqq: Extant literature means ancient texts, poetry, plays. It def is appriopriate to extant specimen of Qene(poetry). Continue removing a sourced word, and you will be called out for your disruptive edits. Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 01:24, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It seems to me that the article you linked to isn't really applicable, but I understand your point. I've edited so that the word order is correct now. Thiqq (talk) 01:28, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Thiqq: Not really applicable, good joke. If you have second doubts, please involve one of the dispute resolutions. They will tell you whether it's applicable or not. Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 01:35, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, no need to be rude. I've already conceded and included the link in the article. I thought our dispute was over. Thiqq (talk) 01:38, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

Tawanay

Hopfmann Quote in German: ‘‘Der Dichter Tawanay aus Gonji’’^[1] English translation(Google): ‘‘The poet Tawanay from Gonji’’

Hopfmann Quote in German: ‘‘Nach dieser Zeit ging Tawanay zuriick nach Gonji, wo er die noch heute beriihmte Qene-Schule von Gonji "Dabra Tababt" (Ort der Weisheit) grundete.’’^[2] English translation(Google): ‘‘After this time, Tawanay went back to Gonji, where he founded the still famous Qene school of Gonji "Dabra Tababt" (Place of Wisdom).’’

Qene schools

Levine Quote: ‘‘The important schools of qenē have always been located in Amhara country, primarily at the monasteries of Wādelā in Lasta and Wāsharā and Gonj in Gojjam.’’^[3] Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 23:11, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Princeton source: Quote; ‘‘Main centres of teaching this type of poetry are found in Gojjam(at Gonj, Weshira and Mech’a), Begemdir (at Ch’ereqa in Dawint and in the town of Gonder), Wello (at Tabor in Sayint), and Lasta (at Abdiqom in Wadla).’’^[4] Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 23:11, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Process of Qene

Discussion

@Thiqq: for accuracy, please make sure next time that you have the correct author when citing a source, none of the editions of Princeton Encyclopedia names Molvaer as author or redactor https://www.worldcat.org/search?qt=hotseries&q=se%3A%22Princeton+reference%22 . It makes it easier for other editors to verify. Molvaer is not cited in page on 462. On Page 463 Molvaer with 20+ other authors have been used as source to compile the 3 different genre's of poetry. Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 23:11, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Dawit S Gondaria: Molvaer wrote that entry in the encyclopedia. His name is right below the list of sources. Thiqq (talk) 23:50, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Thiqq: You're right that is Molvaer's entry, on page 463. But please add an ISBN or OCLC next time, to avoid confusion with the authors of the encyclopedia. Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 00:09, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Qene schools are not only in Bete Amhara, Levine mention of Amhara country means Amharic speaking regions, Princeton source underscores that as well. Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 23:11, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Thiqq: Historical Bete Amhara hardly includes Gojjam, and def doesn't include Gondar, or Lasta please stop contradicting sources on areas you don't understand. Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 00:23, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Hopfmann, Jurgen (1992). Altäthiopische Volksweisheiten im historischen Gewand: Legenden, Geschichten, Philosophien. Peter Lang. p. 82. ISBN 9783631449240. {{cite book}}: |work= ignored (help)
^ Hopfmann, Jurgen (1992). Altäthiopische Volksweisheiten im historischen Gewand: Legenden, Geschichten, Philosophien. Peter Lang. p. 85. ISBN 9783631449240. {{cite book}}: |work= ignored (help)
^ Levine, Donald N. (1965). Wax & gold : tradition and innovation in Ethiopian culture. Chicago: University of Chicago Press. p. 8. LCCN 65018340.
^ Greene, Ronald; Cushman, Stephen; Cavanagh, Clare; Ramazani, Jahan; Rouzer, Paul F (2012). The Princeton encyclopedia of poetry and poetics. Princeton: Princeton University Press. p. 462. ISBN 9781400841424. {{cite book}}: |work= ignored (help)

[1] Hopfmann, Jurgen (1992). Altäthiopische Volksweisheiten im historischen Gewand: Legenden, Geschichten, Philosophien. Peter Lang. p. 82. ISBN 9783631449240. {{cite book}}: |work= ignored (help)

[2] Hopfmann, Jurgen (1992). Altäthiopische Volksweisheiten im historischen Gewand: Legenden, Geschichten, Philosophien. Peter Lang. p. 85. ISBN 9783631449240. {{cite book}}: |work= ignored (help)

[3] Levine, Donald N. (1965). Wax & gold : tradition and innovation in Ethiopian culture. Chicago: University of Chicago Press. p. 8. LCCN 65018340.

[4] Greene, Ronald; Cushman, Stephen; Cavanagh, Clare; Ramazani, Jahan; Rouzer, Paul F (2012). The Princeton encyclopedia of poetry and poetics. Princeton: Princeton University Press. p. 462. ISBN 9781400841424. {{cite book}}: |work= ignored (help)

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