Talk:Qalaherriaq

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 17:04, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

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Portrait of Qalaherriaq, early 1850s.

• ... that Qalaherriaq, an Inuit interpreter from northern Greenland, described England's weather as "dreadful"? Source: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/epdf/10.1080/1369801X.2023.2169626 pg. 994
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Guang yi ji

Created by Generalissima (talk). Self-nominated at 19:57, 11 January 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Qalaherriaq; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article is new enough, long enough, well sourced, neutral and plagiarism free. The hook is cited, but I wonder if there are more interesting things to draw on? Maybe his connection to the Franklin exhibtion? Or the drawings he made. Also, I would love to see the portrait, or one of the other images added to the nomination - they are wonderful. The other thing I wondered, was whether you think it might be worth shifting some of the content about how his life was interpreted and recorded in a "Historiography" section or similar? I really enjoyed reading the article, thank you for starting it with such detail. Lajmmoore (talk)

• @Generalissima: - I forgot to tag you in the review! Lajmmoore (talk) 11:41, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
  • @Lajmmoore: Fair enough on a historiography section; that would be a good thing to add on. Hmmm... How about this

    ALT1: ...that teenage Inuk interpreter Qalaherriaq (pictured) drew an accurate map of northwest Greenland while using a pencil for the first time?

(source: https://www.utpjournals.press/doi/full/10.3138/cart-2021-0012 pp. 247–248. ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Generalissima (talk • contribs)

• Y support ALT1 (I still think a historiography section would be really good - and would help the GA nomination) Lajmmoore (talk) 08:12, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Qalaherriaq/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Ealdgyth (talk · contribs) 23:40, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

I'll get to this in the next day or so. Ealdgyth (talk) 23:40, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (inline citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

• I randomly googled three phrases and only turned up Wikipedia mirrors. Earwig's tool shows no sign of copyright violation.
• Spotchecks:
  • "He had a younger sister, alongside possibly another younger sibling, both of unknown name" is sourced to Hovik p. 991 which supports the information (although the bit about there being for sure one younger sister is actually on page 990)
    • Made sure this says 990-991 now. -G
  • "before his baptism in 1853 as Erasmus Augustine Kallihirua. Other spellings of his name include Caloosa, Calahierna, Kalersik, Ka’le’sik, Qalaseq, and Kalesing" is sourced to Hovik pp. 976-977 which supports the information.
  • "At some point while in England, he sat for a life-size double portrait by an unknown artist, which some decades later was donated for display at the Royal Navy College in Greenwich" is sourced to Hovik p. 982 ... this information is actually supported by p. 981, not 982.
    • Ope, fixed this. - G
  • "On August 12, 1850, the brigs HMS Lady Franklin and HMS Sophia, under the command of whaler and explorer William Penny, reached the coast of Cape York. Upon sighting an approaching Inughuit kayak, the Sophia anchored. The three men aboard the kayak were invited on deck to meet with Penny's interpreter, Johan Carl Petersen, a Dane from Upernavik. Petersen inquired for information relating to Franklin's expedition, but the relatively large number of European ships previously sighted in the region, coupled with the Inughuit's great excitement aboard the vessel resulted in no useful information, and the Inughuit returned to shore" is sourced to Martin pp. 3-4 which supports the information.
  • "Qalaherriaq was described in Ommanney's diary as readily volunteering to go with the expedition, without even returning to camp to gather his possessions. Later British sources state that he was fully ready to "remain under the captain’s own personal care, and be with him always", and that he had stoically accepted his role as an interpreter due to a lack of surviving family; however, this account has been heavily disputed by later scholarship." is sourced to Martin pp. 6-8 which supports the information.
• Lead:
  • "studied English and Christian teachings for several years" can we find another word instead of Christian teachings? Maybe "studied English and Christianity" or perhaps "was instructed in Christianity and English"?
    • "English and Christianity" sounds like good phrasing to me. - G
  • "He was appointed by the Bishop of Newfoundland Edward Feild to accompany him on religious missions to the Inuit of Labrador." Perhaps "He accompanied the Bishop of Newfoundland Edward Feild on religious missions to the Inuit of Labrador."
• Early life:
  • "He had a younger sister, alongside possibly another younger sibling, both of unknown name" this reads very ... odd. Perhaps "He had a younger unnamed sister, and perhaps another younger unnamed sibling also."
    • I struggled with how to phrase this; that's a lot better. Fixed. - G
  • "would encounter various British ships in the search for Franklin's lost expedition" stilted - suggest "was encountered by various ships searching for a lost British exploring mission."
    • Good idea. Fixed. -G
• Cape York landing:
  • "A landing party, including Captains Charles Forsyth and Erasmus Ommanney." what did the landing party do? It's not a complete sentence.
    • Totally missed this; fixed. - G
• Wolstenholme Fjord:
  • "Qalaherriaq guided the Assistance to Wolstenholme Fjord in order to dispel the claims of a massacre of Franklin expedition." The way this is worded, it makes it sound like Qalaherriaq wanted to dispel the claims - perhaps "Qalaherriaq guided the Assistance to Wolstenholme Fjord where the Europeans investigated the claims of a massacre of Franklin expedition."?
    • Good point. - G
  • "the survivors presumed to have fled the area without burying the dead due to a disease epidemic" this is awkward - suggest "the survivors were assumed to have fled without burying the dead due to an epidemic"?
    • Good fix. - G
  • "Royal Navy explorers commonly looted artifacts and remains from Inughuit graves for the anthropological and racial science collections of British museums." this reads very awkwardly where it's placed - perhaps a better connection to the actual incident could be done?
    • Tried to incorporated this better. -G
• England:
  • "learned to read and write alongside a religious education" ... perhaps "learned to read and write while receiving a religious education"?
    • Ooh good fix. - G

I've put the article on hold for seven days to allow folks to address the issues I've brought up. Feel free to contact me on my talk page, or here with any concerns, and let me know one of those places when the issues have been addressed. If I may suggest that you strike out, check mark, or otherwise mark the items I've detailed, that will make it possible for me to see what's been addressed, and you can keep track of what's been done and what still needs to be worked on. Ealdgyth (talk) 18:12, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

• @Ealdgyth: Made fixes per your feedback! Thank you very much. Generalissima (talk) 20:01, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

All these changes look good, passing now. Ealdgyth (talk) 15:06, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Status of abductee or volunteer

The lead currently states that he "was recruited" to be on the ship, and that they initially planned to return him to his family. Given (as the article details) he was 16, European accounts conflict on whether he had family to abandon, and indigenous oral history states he was abducted, I think that unless reliable sources are very clear on this the lead should not wholeheartedly endorse the version from European accounts at the time. Maybe "recruited as an interpreter" -> "abducted or recruited to be an interpreter"? But I don't want to change it without knowing the details, given this is a featured article. Mrfoogles (talk) 05:57, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Looking twice I see it's mentioned at the end of the lead and I missed it, but I think it still gives the wrong implication initially. Tagging @Generalissima because she seems to agree that it was an abduction. Mrfoogles (talk) 06:02, 22 September 2024 (UTC)