Talk:QF 12-pounder 12 cwt naval gun

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That picture doesn't show a QF 12-pounder

The image showing "A QF 12-pounder on HMS Daring" is not only very poor, but it's not a 12-lb gun. It's quite clearly a 3-lb Hotchkiss anti-torpedo-boat gun. Look at the sailor: he's standing next to it, and the gun shield is barely over 5ft tall. Compare this to the similar-looking gun shield in the image below: it's between 7-9ft tall. The gun and sailor on the Daring are surrounded by a circular railing, which makes it clear the sailor is standing next to the gun, and it's not a trick of perspective. But most damningly, you can clearly (as clearly as possible, anyway) see the distinctive shoulder-braces, or "stocks" fitted to Hotchkiss guns to make aiming at small fast targets. I may be wrong and it's not a 3lb Hotchkiss, but it's certainly nothing as large as a 12lber QF gun! AnnaGoFast (talk) 00:42, 27 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Daring later carried QF 6-pounder Hotchkisses, not 3-pounders, but you're right, it's not a 12-pounder. Parsecboy (talk) 21:35, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Image is gone now, but if it was of the forward gun, then it was a 12-pdr. Early 12-pdrs as carried atop TBD conning positions had the stock, as seen also on the 3- and 6-pdr guns of the time. Many photos of 27-knot TBDs show it very clearly and these were boats completed with the 12-pdr. 2A00:23C7:3119:AD01:5C45:CB78:D20C:E5D4 (talk) 19:10, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Duplication of designation?

I note the opening line designation of the subject denotes it as a "QF 12-pounder 12-cwt gun (Quick-Firing)". Did it actually have "(Quick-Firing)" as part of its designation on top of the standard "QF" or has this been added for clarity? If the latter, surely it should not be in bold type too? 2A00:23C7:3119:AD01:5C45:CB78:D20C:E5D4 (talk) 19:15, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]