Talk:Pulse (2001 film)/Archive 1

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Title

Related Wikipedia naming policies can be found at Wikipedia:Naming conventions and more specifics found at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English) and Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names). The IMDb is not a good source to go by as their policies differ from Wikipedia in that they always use the original language titles. Doctor Sunshine 23:32, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

If you refer to Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (films) you will see that there is no established guideline for using an English-release name over the original. See also Talk:Fucking Åmål where there was a clear consensus for using that film's original title. This film wasn't even known as "Pulse" until four years after it's initial release.PC78 10:05, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was move. —Mets501 (talk) 20:44, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Requested move

Pulse (2001 film) → Kairo (film) — Article has been moved twice in the last day, so it's clear there needs to be a consensus. There is no guideline on Wikipedia:Naming conventions (films) for using a film's English title over it's original title, and I also cite Fucking Åmål where a consensus was reached on using that film's original title. Kairo is this film's original title, used in Japan and overseas; it wasn't known as Pulse until it's US release four years later. Kairo is perfectly understandable to an English reader, and it also distinguishes it from the American remake, Pulse (film). PC78 10:58, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Survey

Add  * '''Support'''  or  * '''Oppose'''  on a new line followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.

Oppose This is the English language Wikipedia, serving predominately English-language countries, and policy states, see my above post, that the common name should be used. The DVD, theatrical release, and reviews all refer to this film as Pulse, see http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1113170-pulse/ Doctor Sunshine 17:02, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Support as nominater. The film was commonly known as Kairo for years prior to it's US release, and is still widely known by that name in English speaking countries. PC78 23:34, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

• Support, the advertising for the 2006 film Pulse indicates it is based on the Japanese film Kairo (note the naming). 132.205.93.89 05:26, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
• Support if the suggested name is changed to Kairo without the (film). There is nothing blocking it. Kairo currently redirects to a disambiguation page. Dekimasu 07:05, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

If there is no consensus here, this should revert to the status quo, which would still be the Japanese title. Dekimasu 15:21, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Discussion

Add any additional comments:

• Might also be worth mentioning that Kairo (film) was this article's original title, up until 25 November 2006. PC78 11:23, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
• Also worth mentioning: both the US and UK dvds use Kairo in parenthesis, indicating that the film is also widely known by that name in those countries too. PC78 12:03, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
• It was requested elsewhere by Doctor Sunshine that I "do some research and if you can prove that the film title Kairo is used more or as often as Pulse by English-language readers". And so, doing a Google search of English sites only I have found the following:
  • pulse "Kiyoshi Kurosawa" - 689 unique results.
  • Kaïro OR Kairo "Kiyoshi Kurosawa" - 679 unique results. PC78 00:50, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
• Futhermore, the opening line at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names) quite clearly says: "Use the most common name of a person or thing that does not conflict with the names of other people or things" (my emphasis). There are multiple uses of the word "pulse" here on Wikipedia, including several films, yet no other use of "kairo". PC78 11:29, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

• The Kairo search on google would include foreign websites so it favours the English title. Many film articles share common titles, see King Kong (1933 film) and King Kong (2005 film), and Funny Games (1997 film) and Funny Games (2007 film). The proof can be found at amazon.com and Green Tomatoes (link above). Doctor Sunshine 18:34, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

• The search is for English language sites only, so it doesn't favour any title. Since I'm claiming equal usage of the name "Kairo" the common names convention (which you cited above) is quite relevant. A US dvd release and a couple of reviews prove nothing by themselves; it's all about what people in general will know this film as. PC78 10:56, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

It would list a site when it's included as an "aka" to the main title too. It's never going to be as reliable as Rotten Tomatoes and amazon but google's sometimes used as a deciding factor when the search results are a little more definitive than they are in this case. Doctor Sunshine 17:45, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

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Meaning

Please remove this section. It's pure weaboo fanboyism.217.24.21.126 (talk) 13:55, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

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Atomic Bomb

The whole connection with the atomic bombing seems to be somewhat tenuous. I would like to know whether the writer of the film ever actually expressed such an idea or if this is original research. The parallels drawn between the film and the the bombing might just as esily be drawn in connection with any zombie/apocalyptic movie ever made. It seems much more likely, both because of the writer's own commentary and because of the cinematographic environment at the turn of the millenium cf. Matrix, that the movie is mostly about the islolating effects of technology.--66.191.225.252 (talk) 21:06, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Inaccuracies?

"When Michi's back is turned, Taguchi hangs himself in a manner as abrupt as it is casual." I was under the impression he had hung himself prior to her arrival and the person she met was in fact already his ghost. I think this is evident by Taguchi's appearance when shown hanged). Should it not be "When Michi turns her back and then looks for him again, finds Taguchi's hanged body."

"She suggests a hacker may have been responsible for his odd experiences and advises him on how to take the address of the site should it happen again." Was it not her a colleague (a man) that mentioned it being a hacker, and she only suggested recording the address of the site? - NeF (talk) 10:06, 18 August 2008 (UTC)