Talk:Psycho (1960 film)/GA1

GA Reassessment

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Kept--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 07:05, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am reviewing this article for GA Sweeps. The article is at risk of losing its WP:GA class rating if the following issues are not addressed

In April, Andrzejbanas (talk · contribs) added {{Plot}} to the article. Since then, the plot has been shortened by roughly 8%. I am not too concerned about this issue, but that section should be looked at closely so that we do not have tags hanging on our GAs forever.
~~The article has some one remaining deadlink.~~
~~Currently the dablinks checker is down, but when it comes back up the dab links should be addressed if any are flagged.~~
Many paragraphs and almost entire sections are without inline citations. Citations are a core element of the WP:WIAGA guidelines. The article will need an extensive citation effort to retain its status.

~~It seems that according to Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/Style guidelines, having an uncited plot summary is O.K. However, many paragraphs in the shower scene section remain uncited.~~--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 01:11, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I apologize for not noting this earlier, but the "Sequels and remakes" section seems to have several uncited paragraphs. We have got to help the reader. Please provide at least one citation per paragraph.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 20:56, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This issue remains unresolved.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 18:06, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article uses four fair use images. Although ordinarily four is considered excessive, I support the use of each for contextual reasons. However, the article needs to be brought into line with WP:CAPTION#Wording.

This issue remains unresolved.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 18:08, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

~~The images need WP:ALT text.~~

Why is there no alt text for File:Bates Motel.jpg?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 18:04, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I will monitor the article's progress. I may add further suggestions. I will review the article article again after a week.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 22:41, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just dropping by for now, but yeah, the plot section is definitely overpowering, at 1,795 words that's in excess of a thousand more than the Film Project's content guidelines recommend. I find it very hard to believe that the plot couldn't be summarised in about 600–700 words, enough only to give context to the rest of the article. Steve ^T • C 23:05, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Tony. I've got my hands dirty and cut down the plot by about 200 words by losing some of the detail. Another pair of eyes might help cut it down further. I've addressed one of the deadlinks.
I know this has been as issue at various stages in the article's development, but the lack of page numbers of the Janet Leigh reference concerns me. There appears to be roughly 60 refs to that source! I recall a previous reviewer suggesting that cites be combined. So, instead of having Leigh pg 1, Leigh pg. 2, Leigh pg. 3. -- we could have refname=leigh1-3, leigh4-6, etc. I think somewhere in the article history there will be the specific references.
The 'Awards and honors' is a little fragmented. The JPS ^{talk to me} 23:36, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to help the article retain its GA-class, you may have to go through the article history.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 03:09, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't recall authoring much of the content so I'm not sure if I have much more inclination than yourself. The JPS ^{talk to me} 09:33, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I notified all editors with 25 edits and you were among that group.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 15:02, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wee...I got it down to 1082, but still way too long. I've never seen it so I can't do much more without knowing which scenes are actually crucial of those left. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 00:30, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've seen it a few times; I'll have a stab at reducing it further tomorrow. Steve ^T • C 15:57, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Getting there! For the sake of about 10 words, are you tempted to reinstate the actors' first names? The JPS ^{talk to me} 22:57, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Go right ahead; I suppose it wouldn't hurt the word count overmuch, so no objections on that score ... I just wasn't sure why it was necessary, as the infobox has them, the lead lists the primaries, and the cast section those and everyone else. Steve ^T • C 23:02, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I've put them back. Actually, that 'cast' section is a little fragmented... I've also reinstated more specific references from an earlier version. The JPS ^{talk to me} 00:32, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've reduced the synopsis to 756 words. I deleted the cast names again because, as noted, they already are listed in the infobox and the cast list. If I'm reading the guidelines at Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/Style guidelines correctly, they say including cast members in a plot synopsis is an alternative option but not mandatory. If someone vehemently disagrees with my removing the cast names and wants to return them, the synopsis still will be considerably shorter than it was, and nothing of major importance is missing. (It's amazing how much shorter a synopsis can become simply by removing a word commonly used by people even though it is unnecessary - "that," as in "He told her that he was not going to tolerate her tardiness anymore and that if she were late again she would be fired" instead of "He told her he was not going to tolerate her tardiness anymore and if she were late again she would be fired," which is gramatically correct and flows a lot more smoothly.) LiteraryMaven (talk • contrib) 13:54, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have two concerns about the cast list. Three uncredited actors are listed as the voice of Mother. What is the source of this information? None is provided. Also, an uncredited Ted Knight is listed as the policeman guarding the cell in the final scene. The character is seen only fleetingly and has no dialogue that I can recall. Would be be included in the cast list if he had been played by Sidney Schlump rather than Ted Knight? Credited or not, I never include actors playing insignificant bit roles in the cast list, no matter how famous they became later in their careers. How do others feel about this? LiteraryMaven (talk • contrib) 14:10, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm considering giving the whole section an overhaul. As it's such a minor role, Knight shouldn't be included in list form. However, if there is a source, there's no harm if he were mentioned in prose. The JPS ^{talk to me} 17:29, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just for info, both McGilligan's biography of Hitchcock and also Rebello's excellent book on the making of the film confirm that 3 actors played the voice of "Mother". The former says (p594) "Paul Jasmin, an actor friend of Anthony Perkins, offered up his talent for doing an old-lady, Majorie Main kind of voice; when Mother spoke, sometimes it was Jasmin, sometimes lines that had been looped by actresses Virginia Gregg or Jenette Nolan (John McIntire's wife). Hitchcock spliced and melded the voices together, keeping moviegoers guessing...". Davepattern (talk) 20:16, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

←I see three remaining issues above. One image needs alt text, the captioning needs to be fixed and one section needs citations. A lot of work has gone into cleaning this up. I will check back after the weekend and if these minor issues are addressed the article will be kept.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 18:06, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]