Talk:Proactiv/Archive 2

Article Nomination

This article has been nominated as a GA on WPMed and is seeking review. A discussion is currently underway as to whether this article is within WPMed's scope. That discussion is here. To be clear, whether or not this article is under WPMed's scope has no reflection on its quality as an article. LT90001 (talk) 05:03, 23 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Proactiv +

Hi Darkquest21. The Proactiv article is up for review for "Good Article" status and I noticed you made some edits here (thank you for correcting my spelling) that wasn't all sourced and may have been added with too much detail regarding Proactiv+. I am a PR rep for the company, so when I noticed it had at least some critical information, regarding price and whatnot, I realized it would be inappropriate for me to edit it in article-space. Do you mind if I take a shot at a more concise version on Talk for consideration? My thinking is we might be able to break this down to a couple compact sentences in the Products section. CorporateM (Talk) 12:39, 4 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Currently the article has a dedicated section for Proactiv+, however the only sources used are a press release and a blurb. I did a Google News search, but didn't find any other available sources. Additionally, some of it is either promotional or doesn't make sense, like saying that Proactiv+ has a "significantly higher price" at $30, compared to $30.

I would suggest just a single sentence in the Products section like "A Proactiv+ version is sold that does not contain parabens."[1] It could be expanded later on if more sources emerge, but at-the-moment I have only found this one blurb, which may even suggest it is not worth including at all. Thoughts? CorporateM (Talk) 19:45, 13 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks @Anthonyhcole for clearing out the unsourced stuff. There is also some repetition, which I would be happy to clean up unless there is an objection:

Proactiv: "Proactiv is sold in a three-part kit that includes a cleanser, toner and treatment"
Proactiv+: "The three-step system consists of a cleanser and a treatment "

Proactiv: "Proactiv uses a 2.5 percent concentration of benzoyl peroxide, compared to an industry norm of 10 percent."
Proactiv+: "containing 2.5 percent benzoil peroxide, and a moisturizer containing .5 percent salicylic acid."

Figure we should focus on the areas + differs from regular. CorporateM (Talk) 12:11, 14 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Suggested wording? --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 12:40, 14 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

How about: "A Proactiv+ version, released in February 2013, is paraben-free and marketed as being both an acne treatment and a moisturizer."

This would take out stuff like "solution" and metaphorical language like "launched", etc. as well. CorporateM (Talk) 12:50, 14 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I took out the promotion of Guthy-Renker from the lead here as this seems so clearly counter-COI, I don't think anyone would accuse me of impropriety for it. Since its celebrity endorsements and advertising is what it's best known for, I was thinking we should add something like "$12-15 million a year are spent on contacts with celebrity endorsements from celebrities, such as Katy Perry, Avril Lavigne, and Justin Bieber." As I re-read the article, it could probably use some trimming throughout, but the fine-tuning can be done in a GA review. CorporateM (Talk) 13:05, 14 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

COI

Someone brought to my attention that my COI was not well-disclosed on this article and I noticed the archived Talk page strings where the initial article was discussed and implemented has been archived, but doesn't show up in the archive box at the top. Obviously editors would be interested in seeing the entire history of my participation and the original discussions. I will find out why the archives are not displaying. CorporateM (Talk) 14:13, 16 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done When this article was moved from Proactiv Solution to Proactiv, the Talk page archives were left at Proactiv Solution/Archive 1. I moved them over to the new article-name. CorporateM (Talk) 14:20, 16 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]