Talk:Pre-Pottery Neolithic A

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deletion of sentences in introduction

I have removed the following sentence "but whether these seeds were collected, planted or even brought into the settlements as part of animal dung used for fuel remains the subject of debate. Sickle-blades and grinding stones certainly indicate the use of cereals. Some scholars^[who?] speak of an 'agriculture prédomestique'." The reason is that granny storage has been identified in these settements from as early as 11,300–11,175 BP. ^[1] I have also changed the date to be consistent with the dates in this paper.

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^ Kuijt, I.; Finlayson, B. (Jun 2009). "Evidence for food storage and predomestication granaries 11,000 years ago in the Jordan Valley" (Free full text). Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America. 106 (27): 10966–10970. Bibcode:2009PNAS..10610966K. doi:10.1073/pnas.0812764106. ISSN 0027-8424. PMC 2700141. PMID 19549877.

Preceramic is broader subject

The article Preceramic forwards to here, but the Preceramic is apparently a broader subject than this particular Middle Eastern period. For example it is used in Andean archaeology for a much later time period. And then there is the fact that the Ceramic period in China actually starts during the Palaeolothic 18,000 or so years ago. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.180.26.164 (talk) 04:07, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Date of PPNA Jericho wall, tower

There is a 1500-year discrepancy between the PPNA dates given by specialised archaeologists here, and the dates used by the WP articles on Pre-Pottery Neolithic A, Jericho, the Wall of Jericho and the Tower of Jericho: ≈11,500–10,500 cal B.P. vs. 8000 to 7000 BC. The PNAS article is referring specifically to the PPNA site at Dhra', but Jericho is only a stone throw away, so regional differences can hardly play a part. Or is it connected to calibrated carbon dates vs. what has become common dating standards? Thanks, ArmindenArminden (talk) 19:57, 19 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"cultivation of local grains"?

what is it that indicates clearly that grains were "cultivated" and not just collected? (compare the notion of "erntevölker" = "harvesting [better: collecting] peoples" by lips) and is there any distinction between collected wild grains and collected developed grains by which I mean developed through selection of grains collected over generations out in the wild (without deliberate sowing), as different from sowed grains growing in prepared ground, be it a garden worked with a hoe (horticulture) or a field worked with a plough (agriculture)? please add clarifications. thanks. --HilmarHansWerner (talk) 16:52, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[PNAS09-1] Kuijt, I.; Finlayson, B. (Jun 2009). "Evidence for food storage and predomestication granaries 11,000 years ago in the Jordan Valley" (Free full text). Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America. 106 (27): 10966–10970. Bibcode:2009PNAS..10610966K. doi:10.1073/pnas.0812764106. ISSN 0027-8424. PMC 2700141. PMID 19549877.

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