Talk:Post-classical history/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Wretchskull (talk · contribs) 09:42, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Sorry Sunriseshore, but I have to quickfail this article per WP:GAFAIL criteria 3, as it "has, or needs, cleanup banners that are unquestionably still valid" (my emphasis). There are numerous sentences and entire paragraphs without refs.

Looking forward, take a look at WP:TWL; apart from journals, I suggest you search books within the available publications (so not the main TWL search bar), and you will find an enormous reserviore of high-quality, reliable sources to help you out. I also recommend diversity in your sources, as the article seems a little too dependent on Berger et al., and some refs aren't as reliable as academic books and journals, such as the websites referenced. The article also has some minor MOS issues, such as inconsistencies in serial comma use, etc. You can sort them out when you feel GA criteria two and three have been met.

Middle Ages is and exellent article for inspiration, and I suggest you take a look at its structure, prose, topic breadth, and sources. Once you're satisfied with the body, summarize its sections in the lede in succinct, well-written paragraphs (preferably four) that cover the most important information.

If you feel you've done everything needed to meet the GA criteria, read through the previous peer review and make sure all concerns have been amended before GAN, and matters will hopefully work out smoothly. Good luck! Wretchskull (talk) 09:42, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

I appreicate your review, I understand your decision.

I also agreeded and made some changes as suggested in the GA review, however I did not agree with all of them and I justified my position with sources. I do not think a single critic is always right and I think I proved my point back there.

Do you have a specific problem with using Berger as a source, and if so what sources would you prefer to be incuded in the article?

I am happy to look for and solve the MOS issues as soon as possible.

I have looked at Middle Ages many times already, I tried to learn from the article as much as possible without compromising this article.

That being said I am dissapointed this quick fail and was applied without further discussion. I do not think you went about this in the right way.

Best Regards. Sunriseshore (talk) 23:05, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello Sunriseshore. Per WP:GAFAIL, GANs are quickfailed if they have serious sourcing issues, in this case due to existing or needed -tags. The article contains numerous sentences and paragraphs without any refs. Regarding Berger, I'm not necessarily against it, it's just that the article is too dependent on this source when there are countless other books and journals with equal authority. I highly recommend removing all web sources plus some Berger citations and replacing them with other existing books referenced, or with whatever you can get your hands on from WP:TWL. Everything you could possibly need exists there. Searching "Post-classical history" without any filters shows close to 3000 academic journals (but sort these by peer-reviewed) and 72 books.

Besides, I have reservations about topic breadth and coverage, although I'm not at all an expert so giving my two cents doesn't do this justice, and I could be wrong. My intuition says it's probably best to contact the FA contributors of middle ages, namely Ealdgyth and Johnbod, who I dare say know a thing or two about this subject. Wretchskull (talk) 11:01, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Post Classical does not include middle ages

It is the same as late antiquity . See these books: https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&sca_esv=589743035&sxsrf=AM9HkKlMg5t2nCA5v3l7pmDfF0tGMbKSzw:1702291612558&q=post+classical+roman+empire&tbm=bks&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwib9_q2moeDAxXghv0HHbt3Dk8Q0pQJegQIDhAB&biw=3840&bih=2073&dpr=1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pharaph (talk • contribs) 10:48, 11 December 2023 (UTC)