Talk:Possession (1981 film)

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A fact from Possession (1981 film) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 24 January 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that although Andrzej Żuławski's film Possession is referred to as a psychological drama and horror, its genre is still a matter of controversy?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2023/January. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Possession (1981 film).

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Neutral point of view

"Andrzej Żuławski delivers a masterpiece cult movie" doesn't seem like a good way to start a neutral article about a film. There may be more. Would somebody please take a look? --Tony Sidaway 12:29, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It seems this statement has been changed to a more neutral point of view which seems satisfactory and can be accurately cited from a variety of sources. TGTommyrocket (talk) 07:04, 10 March 2012 (UTC)TGTommyrocket (talk) 07:04, 10 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Plot Summary

I am going to attempt a plot summary on this least narrative of films because while it is mostly a surreal examination of a dissolving marriage, it does have plot points which will be of interest to readers. TGTommyrocket (talk) 08:22, 29 January 2012 (UTC) TGTommyrocket[reply]

Seemingly in disregard of my TALK message on 29 Jan 2012, Doctorhawkes has attempted a summary. Because the summary is so badly written, inaccurate, and riddled with grammatical and syntactical errors, I have conflated it with my own, removing the bad grammar and unimportant details, fixing syntax and correcting plot errors. I have replaced it with a more objective plot summary which does not misinterpret events and which describes plot incidents rather than interprets them. TGTommyrocket (talk) 07:03, 1 February 2012 (UTC) TGTommyrocket[reply]

Crystal Castles videoclip

The movie is featured in a videoclip from the band Crystal Castles. The videoclip is called "Plague".

Tweet

Is citing the tweet from Red Letter Media really needed in this case? It adds no information about the film. It only indicates that a single critic liked the film. Unless there are any objections, I'm going to remove it. Webster100 (talk) 22:48, 29 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The sentence about the tweet has been removed Webster100 (talk) 18:23, 5 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Expand Production Section

This article's production section is way too short and needs to be expanded in more detail than what it currently has. More information on the film's production should be added to the article since compared to the other sections it is the most underdeveloped, making expansion necessary so that it is more balanced with the rest of the article.--Paleface Jack (talk) 19:46, 30 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Here are some links to some interviews with the director/cast on the film that we can use:--Paleface Jack (talk) 16:57, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Genre

I've adjusted the genres to only match what is written specifically in the article per WP:RS, WP:OR and WP:STICKTOSOURCE. This removed some other genres which I could not see written anywhere in the prose in full or abbreviated formats. If I'm missing anything, please fill in the blanks. I'd be happy to go into a deep dive for seeking out how the film is interpreted genre wise. Andrzejbanas (talk) 21:04, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I found some sources that describes the film as "psychological horror"

1. https://nofilmschool.com/possession-andrzej-zulawski

2. https://collider.com/why-was-possession-banned-explained/

3. https://www.slashfilm.com/1203963/sam-neill-says-slapping-isabelle-adjani-in-possession-was-the-most-distressing-thing-hes-ever-done-on-film/

I don’t know if these you would consider these sources reliable, but I think it’s enough to be classified as a psychological horror film. If not, I think it would at least be better sounding to merge the two genres together in a sentence say "a horror drama film" instead of saying it’s a "drama film and a horror film" or a "psychological drama and horror film." Valddlac (talk) 00:13, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's not that they are good sources or not, but we shouldn't just hunt for a genre we feel the film belongs to. If we really want to apply it, I'd just look through reviews or critical/scholarly commentary on the film (just so we know the person in question has actually seen the film) and try to find out the general consensus or more commonly applied term is for the genre that way. Andrzejbanas (talk) 07:32, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

Passed. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 22:13, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: Sammi Brie (talk · contribs) 06:49, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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There is not much to do. The quality of this page is high, and it just needs tightening. It's been so long your eyes might be fresh; you may find more. 7-day hold to Nyxaros. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 07:09, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Copy changes

she is a gentle character, and does not demand anything from Mark This comma isn't needed; see User:Sammi Brie/Commas in sentences (CinS)
allusion (the sounds of sirens and the rumble of explosions) on the I think allusion to would be more idiomatic.
Thompson suggested Frederic Tuten, thus Żuławski went to New York to meet him Change the comma to a semicolon and add a comma after "thus"
Remove the "the" in In 1976, he divorced the actress Malgorzata Braunek.
Carlo Rambaldi, the famous Italian special effects artist maybe "a famed Italian special effects artist"
The Philadelphia Daily News's Joe Baltake deemed the film a "boringly camp-elegante attempt by a group of reputable French, German and Polish filmmakers," and assessed Adjani's performance as "babbling, incoherent yet arresting."
- Remove the comma after "filmmakers"
- Move the period after "arresting" outside of the quotation marks (MOS:INOROUT). When you quote a sentence fragment, the period goes outside of the quotations. (This recurs a few more times with sentence fragments)
  - All Done Hope I got them right. ภץאคгöร 19:15, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sourcing and spot checks

Aside from two sites copying us (one being Metacritic itself), the highest Earwig percentage.

Five sources were chosen for spot checks.

2: Box Office Mojo is used for the US box office figures, which are correct. Y
9: Goddard 2017 is used four times. The increasingly desperate attempts on Marc’s part to hold onto his family, however contaminated or distorted it might be by evil and unfathomable forces, is the masked expression of a real struggle and a real loss not only of Żuławski’s family but also of the violent wrenching from his former social context. Y This source's citation should be expanded. His CV lists it (reproduced after this bulleted list). It appears to be the same one that already has an SFN set tied to it. This is apparently a chapter in the volume.
20: Attribute this quote in-text to Tom Huddleston, but it's there. Y
29: Citation of ASIN number proves volume's existence. Y
32: Quote from Schwartz is faithfully reproduced. Y

Goddard, M N. 2014. Beyond Polish Moral Realism: The Subversive Cinema of Andrzej Żuławski. In: Ewa Mazierska and M N Goddard, eds. Polish Cinema in a Transnational Context. Rochester NY, Woodbridge: University of Rochester Press/Boydell & Brewer, pp. 236-257. ISBN 9781580464680

Other items

The plot summary is 690 words long, at the high end but within the 400–700 word range of MOS:PLOT.
Run IABot to archive any unarchived references. (Some aren't, most are.)
The film poster has a valid NFUR, and the 1977 image of the Berlin Wall is libre licensed. I recommend adding alt text.

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Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by BorgQueen (talk) 02:06, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Article history

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... that despite the film Possession being referred to as a psychological drama and horror, its genre is still a matter of controversy? Source: The four citations after the sentence that mentions it in the themes section. I'm too lazy to put them here.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Politics in The Simpsons

Improved to Good Article status by Nyxaros (talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk) at 22:30, 18 January 2023 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall:

Elevated to good article status within last week. Multiple inline citations for the hook. QPQ done. This should be good to go. Makeandtoss (talk) 11:31, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Poster by Barbara Baranowska, aka Basha

@Nyxaros: The French version of the film poster, used in the article, was created by one of the members of the Polish Poster School movement, one of the few who was female. This poster is one of her most well-known works. This information should be reflected in the article, or at least the illustration's description. WP:RED states that "In general, a red link should remain in an article if there is a reasonable expectation that the article in question will eventually be created (either as its own article or as a redirect); remove red links if and only if Wikipedia should not have any coverage on the subject." I had indicated there would be an article on her forthcoming, and leaving red links in general help other task forces like WP:Women in Red to contribute articles about hard-to-find historical figures. Some discussion of her notability: https://web.archive.org/web/20230610115101/https://www.thefirstnews.com/article/the-forgotten-siren-of-polish-poster-art-barbara-baranowska-25391 https://www.new-east-archive.org/articles/show/13170/barbara-baranowska-polish-poster-artist-women-recollected https://culture.pl/en/article/basha-the-polish-poster-schools-most-reluctant-member LovelyLillith (talk) 18:13, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Only one ref was added to the infobox on the page, and the link was left there after an indication that the page would be created. The referenced information should not be added to the infobox in this way and should be included in the relevant section as well. I don't think that the other two references are sufficient either, at least until there is a consensus that these three websites prove her notability and are reliable. ภץאคгöร 18:43, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]