Talk:Pluto in fiction/GA1

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Reviewer: AryKun (talk · contribs) 16:38, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

• Robert Silverberg is duplinked.
  • Fixed. TompaDompa (talk) 16:17, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
• "for Mars in fiction and 131 for Venus in fiction" You can just pipe the links; no need to shoehorn in the titles, it makes the sentence sound worse. Same for Uranus and Neptune later on.
  • The counterpoint to that is that the links would kind of become WP:EASTEREGGS as readers might expect them to lead to Mars, Venus, and so on. I think that's a more important aspect. The same phrasing is used in Uranus in fiction and Neptune in fiction, for what it's worth. TompaDompa (talk) 16:17, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
    • You could just link them with for: like for Mars. It would remove the EGG while still reading naturally instead of feeling like we're just shoving a link in for no reason.
      • Good idea. I've done that. TompaDompa (talk) 18:37, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
• "On the topic," Can be omitted, doesn't add much to the sentence.
  • Removed.
• "presumed-harsh" Don't think this should be hyphenated.
  • I think it should. It's not that the environmental conditions are presumed and harsh ("the presumed harsh conditions" can be parsed as "the presumed, harsh, conditions"), it's that they are presumed to be harsh. "Presumed-harsh" is used attributively as a compound descriptor here. TompaDompa (talk) 16:17, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
• "Even before its discovery" "It" doesn't have a clear referent here, just use "Pluto's" instead.
  • Done. TompaDompa (talk) 16:17, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
• "Alien life on Pluto is a common motif, sometimes including intelligent life." would be better as "Alien life on Pluto, sometimes including intelligent life, is a common motif in fictional stories about the planet."
  • Reworded. I've tried to avoid calling Pluto a planet in WP:WikiVoice since it isn't considered one anymore. TompaDompa (talk) 16:17, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
• "and crystal lifeforms" should be "and to crystal lifeforms"
  • No, it shouldn't. "More exotic" modifies both "mist creatures" and "crystal lifeforms", and that requires that "to" come before "more exotic". TompaDompa (talk) 16:17, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
    • It really doesn't read like "more exotic" is modifying "crystal lifeforms"; if you want it to have that effect, 'more exotic mist creatures and crystal lifeforms in "En Route to Pluto" and "The Red Peri", respectively'.
      • Alright. Done. TompaDompa (talk) 18:37, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
• "depicted in among others" some sort of typo, can't quite figure out what it's supposed to say.
  • Reworded. TompaDompa (talk) 16:17, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
• "alongside among others" among others in redundant
  • I don't think it is, since this is not exhaustive. TompaDompa (talk) 16:17, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
    • Then you could drop either "alongside" or "among" to have just "among others such as" or "alongside others such as". You only need one of the two.
      • Can't say I see why "others such as" would be any better than "among others" (which is rather an established fixed phrase), but I have at any rate made the change. TompaDompa (talk) 18:37, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
• "Human life is less frequently portrayed on Pluto" would sound better as "Portrayals of human life on Pluto are less common"
  • Reworded. TompaDompa (talk) 16:17, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
• "though it is terraformed" should be "though the planet is" since the it in this context refers to human life from the previous clause
  • As before, I don't want to call Pluto a planet. I've reworded it, but now "Pluto" appears twice in a single sentence. TompaDompa (talk) 16:17, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
• "for the characters" remove "the"
  • Done. TompaDompa (talk) 16:17, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
• "and other times Pluto is the starting point" would sound better as "or as the starting point"
  • That wouldn't really work with the preceding sentence, since Pluto isn't a destination to reach if it is the starting point. I tweaked it slightly. TompaDompa (talk) 16:17, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
• References are mostly reliable; I'm unsure about The Skiffy and Fanty Show as a source, but as it's won multiple Hugo Awards, I suppose it can be treated a a subject expert.
  • That's the same conclusion I came to. TompaDompa (talk) 16:17, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
• Images are correctly licensed and used.
• Mostly just prose and MOS issues. AryKun (talk) 15:00, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
• Spot-checks:
  • "McKinney, Richard L. (2005). "Jupiter and the Outer Planets". In The Greenwood Encyclopedia of Science Fiction and Fantasy: Themes, Works, and Wonders." verifies all claims made.
  • "Outer Planets. In The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction (4th ed.)" verifies all claims made.
  • "Gauger, Rick. In The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction (4th ed.)" verifies all claims made.
  • "Book Review: Cracking the Sky by Brenda Cooper" verifies all claims made.

@AryKun: Responded to your comments above. TompaDompa (talk) 16:17, 22 July 2023 (UTC)