Talk:Pleasant Valley Grange Hall

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Map has wrong location

Note: This thread was originally at the "Help Desk" - since there is more than one PV grange hall in NY it has been moved here to help explain the difference between them

In Pleasant Valley Grange Hall, there is a map of New York State, but the location specified is far off. I have no idea how to fix this myself. MB (talk) 17:47, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Request assistance at Talk:Pleasant Valley Grange Hall. Since that talk page is probably not well watched, someone at this Help Desk may look at your talk page request for assistance. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:58, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The article is listed as being part of two wikiprojects so you could try asking at the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places and/or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject New York. You could also ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Maps. Hopefully one of these will find someone who can help. MarnetteD|Talk 18:04, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like the problem stems from the fact that the article in its original creation listed the town as being in Oneida County, New York. That was changed to Dutchess County, New York over four and a half years later. I am finding some obscure references to a PV in Onieda Co but there are far more for Dutchess Co. That grange has a Facebook page. I haven't yet found how the red dot is positioned on the map. But I am wondering if it has something to do with the coordinates linked at the upper right corner and in the infobox. They go to this page and clicking on a couple of the links there (like Bings and Google Maps) connects to maps for Oneida Co. That leads to the question - Is there more than one Peasant Valley Grange Hall?- The Granges in New York website has listings for both counties. One way to untangle this is to revert the article back to Oneida Co and start a new one for the Dutchess Co grange but other editors may have a different/better solution. MB please feel free to copy/paste my research to any other place that you ask about this. MarnetteD|Talk 18:36, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I should mention that I tried the first reference for the article but it goes to a generic page and my head was already swimming from all my other research so I didn't go any farther. I could not access the second reference so if anyone else can that might help explain what is going on. MarnetteD|Talk 18:43, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Your wondering is correct. The infobox coordinates position the red dot on the map. There is a separate parameter to choose the map, itself, and these are out of agreement. I might change the map back to Oneida Co. for now, because I don't know the proper coordinates for the one in Dutchess Co. —PC-XT+ 19:05, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder if a histunmerge to split the article might be appropriate. Otherwise, if this is to be for Dutchess Co., the coordinates just need updating. The map could be disabled until then. —PC-XT+ 19:14, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The article is about the Pleasant Valley Grange Hall that is on the National Register of Historic Places - that's the reason it is notable. I've looked into this more and believe that it is located in Oneida County and the map is CORRECT. It is the link to Pleasant Valley that is wrong. The Pleasant Valley in Dutchess County may have a Grange Hall also, but that is not the subject of this article. The info in the NRHP list the location on US Rt 20 which passes through Oneida County but NOT through Dutchess County. It's confusing because Pleasant Valley seems to be a disused name in Oneida County from the early 19th century. I'm going to fix the article by changing the location back to Oneida County. This will also match National Register of Historic Places listings in Oneida County, New York MB (talk) 19:49, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent! That clears things up! —PC-XT+ 20:00, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks PC-XT and MB for the followup research. I went ahead and performed the edit needed. My apologies M for jumping ahead of you - I just thought that, based on everyones efforts, we should fix the article ASAP. I hope that everyone has a pleasant week. MarnetteD|Talk 20:05, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

PC-XT and MB I am going to take the liberty of copy/pasting this to the talk page for the article. That way, if this comes up again in the future, our research will be available for other editors to read. Another plus is that, since this thread will eventually get archived here, editors wont have to go searching for it. MarnetteD|Talk 20:17, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm looked through Wikicommons, National Park Service's "Heritage Documentation Programs", and the general internet for out-of-copyright images - all without luck. I'm tired of searching, so did not get into looking for any histories of Oneida County to see if there's a drawing or photo there or possibly on Flickr. I appreciate your help, Wordreader (talk) 06:43, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your efforts Wordreader. They are much appreciated. MarnetteD|Talk 17:56, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]