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sanctuary

The text says: "The synagogue's main sanctuary has a capacity of 1,250 people". The same 'sanctuary' terminology is used in the source. In context, I presume the meaning is main "meeting room/prayer room/holy room", however this use of 'sanctuary' is not one with which I am familiar. I don't know whether this is a US-specific or Jewish-specific usage. No WP articles expound the term - they deal with the use meaning 'refuge/place of refuge'.Pincrete (talk) 06:25, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It's definitely an common term in America for the main worship space of a church: Sanctuary#Sanctuary as area around the altar. I'm uncertain if synagogues use the same terminology. — The Hand That Feeds You:^Bite 12:27, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, they use the same terminology. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:25, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Inconsistencies in timeline and total amount of people in the building

This section states that "Approximately 75 people were inside the building at the time" and it misquotes the cited people.com article (On Saturday morning there were likely about 75 people, total, inside the building, according to the New York Times.) which misquotes a nytimes.com article (But Saturday morning, he said, when there would be around 75 people, “everything would have been wide open.”) The original source says that there would typically be around 75 people in the building on a Saturday morning while the Wikipedia article states that approximately 75 people were actually in the building at the time of the shooting.

Looking at the first hand accounts, it would appear that there were less than 25 people in the building at the time of the shooting. According to Rabbi Myers, in Tree of Life, there were the 3 or 4 people in the front that escaped with the Rabbi (including E. Joseph Charny and Stephen Weiss) and the 8 people in the back(Irving Younger, David Rosenthal, Cecil Rosenthal, Rose Malinger, Sylvan Simon, Bernice Simon, Joyce Fienberg, and Andrea Wedner). All 8 were shot and 7 died, Andrea Wedner survived. In New light, there were 3 people with Rabbi Jonathan Perlman that went to hide in a closet (Melvin Wax, Barry Werber, Caroline Black) and 2 people in the kitchen (Daniel Stein and Richard Gottfried). In Dor Hadash, which wasn't scheduled to start until 10:00 am, there were about 3 people including Jerry Rabinowitz, Daniel Leger (Rabbi Myers stated that he saw three Dor Hadash congregants running down the stairs). The custodian, Augie Siriano, was also in the building.^[1] CharlieOct-27 (talk) 09:52, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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^ https://archive.triblive.com/local/pittsburgh-allegheny/pittsburghs-darkest-day-a-minute-by-minute-account-of-the-mass-shooting-at-tree-of-life-synagogue/

Realizing the verdict is just out, but not a complete account. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.192.29 (talk) 00:45, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Expanding on Trump's influence on the shooter

Bowers posted on social media about the caravan Trump fixated upon in the last weeks of the midterm campaign, calling the refugees “invaders;” Bowers was also apparently fixated on the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, which supports refugees fleeing persecution.

In the article From Structural to Stochastic Violence. Viriditas (talk) 22:33, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Additionally, in the wake of this attack, writer Julia Ioffe gives a very brief history of Trump's pandering to white supremacism and rhetoric blaming Jews as an argument for culpability. See How much responsibility does Trump bear for the synagogue shooting in Pittsburgh? Viriditas (talk) 23:22, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In progress. To the person who keeps whitewashing Trump's influence, stop. Viriditas (talk) 10:20, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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