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Lead Section

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Dear pratyk321, i highly appreciate your efforts in reconfiguering the page. However i feel that the lead section should clearly bring out the notability of the subject, which in this case derives from its ancient origin and the love and labor of the Pisanhari. I think a little about both these should be included in the lead, the details of which may figure in other sections. Should you like to do it, please go ahead or let me know your point of view.LoveAll (talk). 10:49, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi LoveAll (talk), I have added a lead section, feel free to update. Thanks Pratyk321 (talk) 11:48, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
just added vintage in the lead to justify notability.LoveAll (talk). 05:31, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk05:22, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Pisanhari ki Marhia
Pisanhari ki Marhia
  • ... that a Jain temple campus sprawling across 18 acres named Pisanhari Ki Marhia (pictured) is a tribute to Pisanhari, the poor old lady, who constructed a one room temple by saving money from milling flours in 1442 CE? Mitra, Swati (2012). Temples of Madhya Pradesh (1 ed.). Goodearth Publications. ISBN 9789380262499.

Created by Loveallwiki (talk) and Pratyk321 (talk). Nominated by Loveallwiki (talk) at 06:45, 16 July 2021 (UTC).[reply]

  • @Loveallwiki: We're not looking to say everything in the hook, just need to mention something interesting that readers will click on to find out more. Let's keep both hooks. The reviewer can help us decide the best-suited hook. Thanks and regards Pratyk321 (talk) 09:10, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Loveallwiki: Alrighty! First the basics: the article was posted for review on 16 July, so within 7 days of being moved to main space; it has not been featured previously; and at 1907 characters it is long enough. Concerning the sources, I don't have access to some of them, while others that I do have access are in Hindi, so I'll assume good faith here. I did notice two issues, though. One of the sentences in "History" does not appear to be sourced (and could use with better phrasing): The woman who does this work is called "Pisanhari" and "Marhia" is a very small temple generally consisting of a single room. That is why the temple is called "Pisanhari ki Marhia" (Temple of Pisanhari). This appear to be stated as a matter of fact, but I'd like a source on this. Also, source number 5 (the website that rings a loud bell when you load it) appears to be a WP:UCG sort of website, if that's the case, it's not a reliable source and should be avoided. Aside from these two main issues, the article is in desperate need of copy-editing. I'll await an answer from the nominator. Isabelle 🔔 13:07, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Copyedit? OK lets look at it. The second sentence says that it was paid for by a poor woman who milled flour .... who made enough money to build a temple. Really? Nice fiction, but I suggest that someone takes this in hand or it should be removed from the queue. Victuallers (talk) 14:54, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Isabelle: i have copy edited the History section to some extent. Hope it is acceptable now. The redirect from "Pisanhari ki Madiya" already exists. i propose the following hook: ALT2: ... that a poor old lady called "Pisanhari" built a temple with her own savings in 1442 CE? Please guide further. LoveAll (talk). 11:34, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This article doesn't seem to be ready yet, so I'll adopt the nom. Let's see if I can't try and fix this up. article's sourcing requirements seem to have been addressed—I removed the sentence relying on source 5 and the other sourcing issue looks to have already been worked out. The article wasn't long, I finished a second copyedit on that front. I'll suggest some alts:
ALT2a: ... that legend says that Pisanhari Ki Marhia was built by a poor old woman who saved up money by milling flour?
ALT2b: ... that Pisanhari Ki Marhia, according to legend, was built by a poor old woman who saved up money by milling flour?
ALT2c: ... that Pisanhari Ki Marhia was built by a legendary poor old woman who saved up money by milling flour?
this one's a little misleading, but in a good way.
We'll still need a new reviewer, but I hope this helps. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 08:27, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for helping improve the article, theleekycauldron. The hooks ALT2a and b are acceptable and well-sourced, and I'd recommend using Alt2b. Concerning the article, it's been greatly improved from last time I read it, although I still see some issues: one sentence in the "Architecture" section is missing an inline citation; the source attributed to the meaning of the word "marhia" does not appear to actually say what that word means. Isabelle 🔔 15:31, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Isabelle Belato: I also like ALT2b best. I couldn't find a source for the architecture paragraph, so i cut it; While I would normally argue that if "marhia" just means "temple", we wouldn't need a unified citation for that part, but I couldn't find a source on the meaning of marhia, so I just cut that too. We are still barely over character count. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 19:11, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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