Talk:Pigeon pie

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Purple Wedding?

Suggest that a section is added describing how the wedding of Joffery Baratheon and Margaery Tyrell featured the largest pigeon pie ever and that Joffery ate a piece right before drinking poisoned wine and ultimately dying.

I'll be back

I will return to add content. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 18:36, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Umami? Really?

Is it really right that the word 'savory' [sic] should link to the article on umami? I realize that that is as close as one can get to a scientific definition of savouriness, but I think that when we call a pie 'savoury', we are referring to the fact that the ingredients (meat, savoury pastry etc.) are savoury, not that it contains glutamates which stimulate that particular taste sensation. Think about it: if we puored a bag of sugar into the filling of the pie, it would still have an umami component in its taste, but no one would call it a savoury pie.
I realize that I'm probably not making a lot of sense here, but seeing that link made me feel uneasy. Perhaps the best way to put it is that 'savoury' is here being used as a culinary (gastronomic, if you will) term, while 'umami' refers to taste sensations commonly associated with such pies. Or how about this: pies are normally classed as 'sweet' or 'savoury': this distinction relies mainly on the sugar content of the pie. Since meat pies without suga normally contain glutamates, they will taste savoury (umami), but it is not because of the umami glutamates that they are described as such.
To me the article on umami contains no information relevant to the savouriness of pies or to the page in general. It is focusing on a specific part of the concept of 'savouriness' - that of how it is perceived by the body, while 'savoury' in the context of a pie refers to a different part of the concept of savouriness. 'Umami' is concerned with how we perceive the pie, while 'savoury' is concerned with the Form of the pie. J.Gowers (talk) 23:15, 3 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]