Talk:Piazza Scossacavalli

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:40, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

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Partial view of piazza Scossacavalli with St. Peter in the background (1930 ca.)

• ... that Piazza Scossacavalli in Rome (pictured) could keep until its demolition in 1937 its cinquecento atmosphere? Source: "...Piazza Scossacavalli, con la sua atmosfera cinquescentesca... (Cambedda, 1990, p. 57)"
  • ALT1:... that the other names of the demolished Piazza Scossacavalli in Rome (pictured) were linked to the cardinals living there? Source: "La piazza ebbe vari nomi a seconda dei cardinali che vi abitarono..." (Delli (1988) p. 857)

• Reviewed: Puer Mingens

Created by Alessandro57 (talk). Self-nominated at 13:03, 2 February 2020 (UTC).

• Hook isn't idiomatic English:

• • ALT2: ... that Piazza Scossacavalli in Rome (pictured) kept its cinquecento atmosphere until its demolition in 1937? Source: "...Piazza Scossacavalli, con la sua atmosfera cinquescentesca... (Cambedda, 1990, p. 57)" Johnbod (talk) 17:53, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

• New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced. As all sources are offline, unable to check for close paraphrasing. Images are all freely-licensed. QPQ done.
• Neither of the hooks strike me as hooky. ALT1 starts off talking about something "other" than the subject; it would be better to put the bolded subject in the beginning of the hook and explain why what you're saying about it is hooky (more detail is in the article). In ALT2, I'd rather click on cinquecento to find out what it is than the bolded subject, which anyway got destroyed. You have a lot of information in the article; perhaps you could suggest something that works better as a hook. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 00:04, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

• Well one could always pipe 16th-century, which sounds suitably uninteresting. Johnbod (talk) 03:21, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

• Thanks, Johnbod, but even that would be the most interesting part of the hook; I would click on it just to find out what it's talking about. Yoninah (talk) 12:33, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Really, you'd click on "16th-century"? Frankly that seems eccentric. Johnbod (talk) 17:09, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

• Too bad...I will try to find some more hook during the weekend, but I liked the cinquecento hook, because it can give rise to several interpretations :-) Alex2006 (talk) 19:47, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

• @Alessandro57: if you like it, that's fine, but cinquecento will get far more clicks than the bolded article. How about not mentioning its demolition?
• ALT2a: ... that Piazza Scossacavalli in Rome (pictured) kept its cinquecento atmosphere for nearly 500 years? Yoninah (talk) 21:31, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

@Yoninah: Then it would be more correct to write:

• ALT2b: ... that Piazza Scossacavalli in Rome (pictured) kept its cinquecento atmosphere for nearly 400 years?

or maybe:

• ALT3: ... that Piazza Scossacavalli in Rome (pictured) was the fulcrum of the Borgo rione for more than 400 years?

• ALT4: ...that both Popes Sixtus IV and Alexander VI gave tax exemptions to develop Rome's Piazza Scossacavalli (pictured)?

. Alex2006 (talk) 17:05, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

• Alex2006, thank you for the alts. ALT2b is sourced inline. I don't see ALT3 in the article; it says that the fulcrum was with Borgo Vecchio. I also don't see Pope Sixtus IV mentioned in the article as giving tax exemptions. By the way, when you call a pope by his title and name, "Pope" should be capitalized. Yoninah (talk) 19:57, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

• Yoninah, about the tax exemptions, you are right: now I have written more information in the article about that. About ALT3, from the article: "The new road crossed the square along its north side, and due to that and to the parallel crossing of Borgo Vecchio on the south side, piazza Scossacavalli became the fulcrum of the rione". In other words, the piazza became the center of the Borgo since it linked the two roads of Borgo Vecchio and Borgo Nuovo. N.B. Borgo is the quarter (rione in Italian), but Borgo Vecchio and Borgo Nuovo were the roads: in Borgo each E-W road is named borgo, not via, approximately like "street" and "avenue" in NYC. About the pope, being an anticlerical nephew of an anarchist, I write this word always with small p :-). P.S., thanks a lot for your review!

. Alex2006 (talk) 12:21, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

* Thank you for the additional work you did. I think ALTs 2b and 4 are the best hooks; both are AGF and cited inline. I don't think the image adds anything to the nomination; it makes it look like a back alleyway in prewar Europe, but I'll let the promoter decide. ALT2b and ALT4 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 21:28, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Yoninah! The image does not tell anything if one never went to Rome, but for the others is sensational, since it shows the context around St. Peter's church before the destruction of the quarter. Now from that point you see the whole church, in the picture you see only a small part of it in the background. Bye, Alex2006 (talk) 07:00, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Saint Peter's glimpsed across the piazza, c. 1930

Yes, once looked at it is very useful, but hard to see at small stamp size. Might one work it better into the caption, with a link for a start? The present caption is too long, & is near certain to get brutally cut. Fwiw, I think hook ALT2b is better, and (my) ALT2 better still. Johnbod (talk) 17:12, 2 March 2020 (UTC)