Talk:Philippines at the 1928 Summer Olympics

Philippines at the 1928 Summer Olympics has been listed as one of the Sports and recreation good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Review: September 28, 2024. (Reviewed version).

Philippines at the 1928 Summer Olympics was nominated as a good article, but it did not meet the good article criteria at the time (September 20, 2024, reviewed version). There are suggestions below for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated.

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GA Review

Unsuccessful. Arconning (talk) 14:32, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominator: TheNuggeteer (talk · contribs) 12:35, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Arconning (talk · contribs) 13:12, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Will start a review in the next few days. Arconning (talk) 13:12, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd have to quickfail as the overall prose of the article is quite far from meeting the standard (also considering the fact that it's still a start-class article that could use some more work). The article includes some puffery (use of the word popular and other words that show some sort of bias) that could be addressed quickly but some terms and wording used in the article should be changed to a more encyclopedic tone. Some statements on the article are unsourced or are wrongfully attributed to a source, so that should also be fixed before nominating again.

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GA Review

Passed. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 15:17, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominator: Arconning (talk · contribs) 14:41, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Rollinginhisgrave (talk · contribs) 03:48, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll start this over the next few days. I saw the massive improvement you've made and was very impressed, so I'm lucky that I now get to review it. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 03:48, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prose and content

May 17 to August 12, ~~1928~~
marked their second appearance at the Summer Olympics since its inconsistency with using plural/singular as a pronoun
~~the city of~~ Amsterdam,
although its recognition as the National Olympic Committee the "its" here is implied to refer to the delegation based on sentence structure. Reword to avoid this.
although the federation was open this conjunction doesn't work with the start of the sentence
Although, tennis was removed bit awkward starting this sentence with "although"
The athletes that competed were sprinter Anselmo Gonzaga... the first Filipino Muslim to compete at a Games. This information doesn't belong in the background section. It is largely duplicating what's in the lead, and the subsections. Such information should be integrated, and the only information kept should be facts such as first Filipino Muslim.
Anselmo Gonzaga held the flag for the delegation ~~in the ceremony.~~
after a jump-off could you explain what this is?
placed last ~~in the heat~~ out of five swimmers
Have come back to this after looking at the source. There really appears to be no significance in what lane contestants were in so references to these should be removed. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 07:57, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestions

with four competitors, sprinter → including four competitors: sprinter
The non-competitors were C. Boissevain, who served as the attaché,[9] J. Fruitt Maxwell as an official in the athletics and swimming events,[10] Costancio Alvarado as a representative,[11] and Regino Ylanan as the medical officer of the team. my beliefs around this are a bit controversial, but there's really nothing notable / significant about who the official for the Philippines in the 1928 Olympics for the athletics and swimming events were. Including the name is just data; to the reader what matters is what the composition of the team rather than their names. If they pass the GNG then that's a different matter, and they should be redlinked. Same with other figures on the team. In the 2024 Olympics we aren't including the names of the Philippines official in the athletics and swimming events.

Sources

[1] Y
[3] Y
[5a] clock could you quote this for me?
[7] Y assuming this is just providing the names
[9] Y
[11] clock quote on this one as well
[21] Y * see addition to prose and content
[23] Y
[25] Y see 21

Other

No OR / COPYVIO Y 2.9% earwig
Neutral Y
Stable Y
Illustrated with appropriate attribution / captions Y easy since games were 1928
Broad / summary style clock it does seem to indiscriminately include info, but I'd be happy to pass if the positions are cut.

~~Will continue.~~

Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 07:52, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for the wait, I have inexplicably lost access to Newspapers.com and I am waiting for my application for access to come through before I continue. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 03:46, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Rollinginhisgrave Will get to this in a few days! Arconning (talk) 12:16, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Rollinginhisgrave I'm mostly done with your comments. I've linked the meaning of "jump-off" so that readers can go straight there, and I've decided to keep the non-competitors as they were part of the "composition" of the team, regardless that they were non-competitors. Replying to the 2024 Olympic-statement, you can see my other works such as Philippines at the 1924 Summer Olympics and Liechtenstein at the 1936 Summer Olympics, which include the officials and are GAs! Nevertheless, I believe I'm done. Let me know if you have any inquiries so that I could reply to them! Arconning (talk) 13:33, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for these changes. I do disagree with the composition point, but I don't think it's worth pressing. I still don't have access to the newspapers archive, so I will ask you to provide some quotes if it isn't too much effort. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 07:57, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Rollinginhisgrave I believe I'm done! Please do remind me if I still have some things to fix as I am willing to do them as soon as possible! :) Arconning (talk) 14:03, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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