Talk:Philippine Declaration of Independence

Dirty Translation

I replaced the previous translation, which apparently was just copied from an online source with numerous typos, with the same translation, but from a more reliable source. This source, however, since it was a digitized version had some garbage, including "ominuos joke." I found another translation where it appears as "ominous yoke." Links to the original document and two translations are available here.

Was this someone's idea of a yoke?

I took the liberty of changing "joke" to "yoke" in Paragraph 3 of the declaration. This appears to me to be a likely mistranslation, and google does turn up a version in which this is "yoke."

Also, removed references to Constitution and Republic in earlier version, as these don't appear to have been a part of the Declaration204.9.158.39 01:28, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Not recognized??

Do we have to keep mentioning 'not recognized? I doubt that the USA was recognized by the British as a nation when they were revolting. Or Peru, Mexico Bolivia etc by Spain when they were striving for independence. Nor Do I expect Spain or the US to recognize Aguinaldo, the First republic, and June 12. Of course! The dominating/colonizing nation would not agree to a rebelling nation. The US defines the revolution as an insurection. So is there any need to say 'not internationally recognize'. If we have to, it would be more accurate to say 'not recognized by the U.S.A.'--Jondel 05:28, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Please

Whether recognized by the United States or not, the Philippines gained independence June 12, 1898. When independence was declared, we didn't need recognition from the US or from anybody. The Americans stayed because they were an emerging superpower and they needed a colony in the Pacific. The US President then said it so himself in an interview published after this death. The Americans stayed because they needed access to trade in Asia. But as far as the Filipinos then were concerned, they were here as guests, not as colonizers. They approached Gen. Aguinaldo in Hongkong promising aid. But when the Spanish stronghold in Manila finally fell to the Filipino rebel forces, the Americans claimed victory.

Please Wikipedia people, your website is one of the best online references available to the world, educate the world about our true history. June 12, 1898 is a very important date for us Filipinos. Today, June 12 is a celebrated occasion. July 4 on the other hand, is just an ordinary date in the calendar.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.104.87.196 (talk • contribs) 14:25, June 10, 2007

Agree.Ancientsteppe (talk) 12:36, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Except for the difference regarding "we didn't need recognition from the US or from anybody", I think that the relevant WP articles generally provide content reflecting good content covering the above.

• Re sovereignty, see the WP article on that topic.
• Re why the Americans stayed, see the Schurman Commission article, History of the Philippines (1898-1946)#First Philippine Commission, Treaty of Paris (1898)#Negotiations and (probably) other articles.
• Re what the US President (McKinley, presumably) said, if info on this is missing from WP please cite a source (preferably one viewable online) which gives details.
• Re "They approached Gen. Aguinaldo in Hongkong promising aid", as far as I know (but I'm not a historian), this "approach" is documented very poorly -- mention of it has been in and out of some relevant WP articles. As I understand (and I haven't spent much time re-researching this) it, the story is that the "They" there is the person of a Lieutenant in the U.S. Navy named R.V. Hall, (See [1], [2]) or, possibly, naval commander Edward Parker Wood of the USS Petrel (see [3] and [4]), who are said by some sources to have approached Aguinaldo before Dewey's Asiatic Squadron left Hong Kong after the outbreak of the Spanish-American War, to have made him some sort of offer, and to have assured him that the United States had no interest in possessing the Philippines. On what sort of authority either of these persons might have done that on behalf of the U.S. government, I don't know, nor do I know why Aguinaldo might have accepted that either of these persons were credibly making offers or assurances on behalf or the U.S. government.
• Re the fall of the Spanish stronghold in Manila, see the WP article on Battle of Manila (1898).

Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 07:34, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

what the f?

ok. so which racist mutha f***** wrote monkeys, bananas, and rats on the headings on this page? please change it back top the way it was. I find that racist and insulting because im a Filipino myself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.109.147.0 (talk) 21:22, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

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The independence of the Philippines.

Today,June 12, 2008, the Filipinos are celebrating thier 110th independence day anniversary. In Baguio City, they have placed the biggest and largest philippine flag at the athletic bowl. (those are some data about our independence day today) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.217.87.133 (talk) 09:28, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

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Where is the Philippine Declaration of Independence (the physical paper) currently located?

Does anyone know where the Philippine Declaration of Independence (the physical paper) currently located? I believe that info should be included in the article. Galacticninja (talk) 05:43, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

According to the wikipedia article on the National Library of the Philippines, the proclamation is there --Bruce Hall (talk) 09:59, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

I have not been able to find confirmation of that however. Nor have I come across how people might actually see it. --Bruce Hall (talk) 02:05, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Expansion of history and text sections

The history section needs to be expanded with more information on the reaction to the declaration itself (not a history of the Philippine-American War). Also there needs to be a section on the text discussing its meaning, its influences and what it subsequently influenced. I do not think that the text needs to be added since a full text is available at Wikisource but substantial quotes can be given. Does any discussion of signers need to be added? What about discussing the appointment of Aguinaldo as dictator? --Bruce Hall (talk) 11:02, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Added back hatnote on 1946

Imagine that you know nothing about Philippine history but you hear about "Philippine Independence" and google it. You might end up here, and you might be confused or ignorant of that fact that Philippine Independence came 50 years after what is called Philippine Independence Day. Certainly it is reasonable to assume that some portion of Wikipedia readers would be so confused. To help, I added in a hatnote linking to Philippine Independence. It was changed by one editor and then deleted by another because, I believe, I wasn't clear about the reasons for the hatnote. So I added it back in and have added this explanation. I believe that the note is necessary but I am not sure if everyone sees it the way I do and I am open to changing my mind, especially if the consensus is that we shouldn't have any reference to Philippine Independence in a hatnote. Comments? --Bruce Hall (talk) 07:42, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

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