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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that in the 1932 baseball game in which pitcher Eddie Rommel won his last game, he pitched 17 innings in relief, an American League record?

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The result was: promoted by Vaticidalprophet talk 02:13, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that in the 1932 game in which pitcher Eddie Rommel won his last game, he pitched 17 innings in relief, an American League record? Source: https://sabr.org/journal/article/clevelands-contrasting-historic-games-in-1932/
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Created by Wehwalt (talk). Self-nominated at 01:38, 8 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Philadelphia Athletics 18, Cleveland Indians 17 (1932); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

New article that was created on 6 September 2023‎‎ is 18,930 characters long and nominated two days later. No copyvios detected (high confidence of violation due to direct quote that has been cited; AGF sources which can't go through Dup detector). Article is well-sourced. Hook is 130 characters long (under 200 character max.) and is interesting. Ref 14 (verifying the hook) is a reliable source from the Society for American Baseball Research. QPQ done (currently here instead of here, likely due to a page move for the article but not the DYK nom). Looks good to go! —Bloom6132 (talk) 21:25, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Or perhaps:

ALT1: ... that in the 1932 game in which pitcher Eddie Rommel won his last game, he pitched 17 innings in relief, an American League record, giving up 29 hits, still a Major League record?

That would require this additional source.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:55, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

approving ALT1 as well. —Bloom6132 (talk) 22:13, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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I don't think this removed anything of substance; it basically just combined the two mentions of where the Athletics stood in the standings. In the edit summary I did suggest removing something, because its relevance seemed very limited here. Not everything mentioned in the body has to be mentioned in the intro. 85.235.133.59 (talk) 22:24, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I see your point. My view of it is that the reader should have the context during which the game took place up front, rather than as an afterthought. Wehwalt (talk) 23:07, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Let's at least change the wording about "six or more games", which is awkward. Maybe say exactly what the standings were before and after this gameday. 85.235.133.59 (talk) 23:12, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm OK with that. And I'm OK with the Foxx edit, though I may play with the phrasing.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:17, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hopefully this is OK. I think things could still be rearranged somewhat. 85.235.133.59 (talk) 01:15, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've made some changes. It's important to explain that the game is significant as high up in the article as possible, and as you don't like it in the first sentence, I've put it in the second. This was no ordinary 18-17 game (although I think there have only been two 18-17 games in MLB history. Wehwalt (talk) 02:02, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Eddie Rommel article says that his 39 baserunners allowed is also a record, but the reference doesn't appear to verify it. If this is verifiable, it should be added here. 85.235.133.59 (talk) 13:57, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A quick google search doesn't help there. I'll look elsewhere. I've tweaked it, mostly to eliminate repetitions of phrasing The final paragraph of the lead is a little short and weak. Wehwalt (talk) 14:49, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I added that Foxx's 16 total bases tied the MLB record (Gehrig had gotten the same on four home runs a month earlier, by the way, and Ty Cobb had done it and maybe others). Haven't found baserunners yet. Wehwalt (talk) 15:23, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Wehwalt:I can't undo the banned editor's changes as you have edited since. Please can you have a quick look at it again and, bearing in mind that this was a globally banned editor, acting in bad faith, and check that the article is OK as it is. If so, that's fine. If not, please either unpick the bad bits or revert to an older version. Sorry for the inconvenience. You are far from the first person to have had your time wasted by this pest. --DanielRigal (talk) 15:32, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

OK, will do in a few minutes. Wehwalt (talk) 15:34, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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This introduction sentence can be condensed:

The July 10 game was the 171st victory of Rommel's MLB career; he never won another major league game.

Please change it to:

The July 10 game was the 171st and last victory of Rommel's MLB career.

123.51.107.94 (talk) 22:23, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to, and it was at one time, but it seems he won six games for Richmond after that.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:55, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In that case, please remove everything after "career". 123.51.107.94 (talk) 01:50, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This appears to be a matter of style. I feel it reads better as is.--Wehwalt (talk) 12:38, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This sentence is unusually structured:

Rommel set Major League records by allowing 29 hits in a game, and for the most runs allowed by a winning pitcher (fourteen).

"by allowing" and "for...allowed" don't fit with each other. Please change it to:

By allowing 29 hits and 14 runs, Rommel set Major League records for all pitchers and winning pitchers, respectively.

Thank you. 123.51.107.94 (talk) 22:29, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think that can be fixed by changing "allowed" to "given up".--Wehwalt (talk) 22:56, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, that won't work. "Rommel set Major League records by allowing 29 hits in a game, and for the most runs given up by a winning pitcher (fourteen)." It mixes "allowing" (present participle) and "given up" (past participle). 123.51.107.94 (talk) 01:52, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Feels correct to me though.--Wehwalt (talk) 12:37, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]