Talk:Peter Townsend (RAF officer)

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One brief paragraph mentioning his relationship with Princess Margaret? Come on! Get real. That's a bit like writing a biography of Adolf Hitler and saying: "Was briefly involved in German and European politics"! 70.162.228.134 (talk) 03:57, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

2nd divorce?

Am I remembering correctly that his second marriage also ended in divorce? 109.157.20.61 (talk) 19:40, 1 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Total aerial victories

We need some clarification as to how he was credited at one point with 11 victories but "ended the war" with only 9. Inline citations would help. Catrìona (talk) 18:32, 3 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The part at the bottom is a template. A quick search found this which shows 11: http://www.nytimes.com/1995/06/21/obituaries/peter-townsend-dies-at-80-princess-margaret-s-love.html

Preferably we can cite an aviation history book or other definitive source; I'll see what I can find. Catrìona (talk) 20:02, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Important distinction

The government sought to discourage their relationship by urging Princess Margaret to wait two years to marry...

But they didn't tell her that she would lose her privileges and pension if she did. Valetude (talk) 11:46, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Unsatisfactory citation-needed

User:SovalValtos: You added {{Citation needed}} in jan 2023 diff[1]. It included as reason=most capable, when the actual text in the article was one of the most capable squadron leaders, which is a significant difference.

Also, the in jan 2023 in the article already existed references from The London Gazette, e.g. from citations for his DFC. Several most relevant parts (for claim that he was one of the most capable...) were also (already then) directly qouted in the article. That included (also then already existing) references to The London Gazette for citation when he received his DSO, and that from when he received his bar to DFC; they all support that one of most capable. E.g. (one which is not quoted in the article; previous editor seemed to not want to overquote the article):

This is the third success obtained by this pilot and in each instance he has displayed qualities of leadership, skill and determination of the highest order, with little regard for his own safety.

That he was only flight lieutenant in citation for the DFC (2556 The London Gazette, 30 APRIL, 1940), and acting wing commander on May 13 of the same year when he received DSO (about two weeks later, also then already sourced to the London Gazette in the article), all support that claim. That he was confirmed from acting to permanent wing commander (also already sourced) also supports it.

So IMO need for Citation needed at that place in the article is dubious, but before removing it I'd like the opinion of SovalValtos: if he agrees that existing references I mentioned above are enough he can remove it himself if he wishes. If he opposes it, he can let me know here. If he agrees those citations are valid and enough, but he would prefer those citation should be also explicitly cited where now is the template, I can change relevant existing citations to named ones, and add all references to those named citations also to the place where now is that citation needed. I think it would be unnecessary, but I can do it if other editors think it really is necessary. Marjan Tomki SI (talk) 13:27, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Marjan Tomki SICitation needed removed.SovalValtos (talk) 23:47, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:SovalValtos: Thank you.

I learned a lot investigating this, mostly about sources from The London Gazette, where promotions of military personal, mentioned in dispatches, and awards given - with citations - used to be published, and about how all they looked, so I can find them in other articles where needed. I intend to learn more, so I'll look into WikiData and see what is already there and if statements and data - and sources - for Townsend awards are missing there I'll add them. At least part of that should be reflected in infobox (with references to sources) in all languages that have this article, and should facilitate translation into e.g. sl WP.

If that with WD and infobox works as it should, awards mentioned in Townsend infobox should also inherit the citations to the sources (hopefully in all the languages). So even if that CN you now removed was not needed here, it helped me a lot that it was here for a while ;-) Marjan Tomki SI (talk) 13:47, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]